Fermi-Walker transport of proper acceleration along timelike congruence

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The discussion centers on the properties of proper acceleration and its relationship with 4-velocity in the context of timelike congruences, specifically focusing on the Rindler and ZAMO congruences. Participants explore whether the direction of proper acceleration commutes with the 4-velocity or is Fermi-Walker transported along the worldlines of these congruences.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the 4-velocity and the direction of proper acceleration commute along the worldlines of a generic irrotational timelike congruence.
  • One participant suggests that the Rindler congruence serves as a counterexample, noting that the direction of proper acceleration commutes with the Killing vector field but not with the 4-velocity.
  • Another participant asserts that the direction of proper acceleration is indeed Fermi-Walker transported along the Rindler congruence's worldlines, referencing an Insights article.
  • Discussion includes the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime, which is described as irrotational but having nonzero expansion and shear, raising questions about its properties compared to Rindler congruence.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the conservation of angular momentum for free-falling particles in Kerr spacetime and how this relates to ZAMO observers.
  • There is a clarification regarding the definition of the symbol/letter ##A## in the context of different congruences, particularly in Rindler coordinates.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the references to ZAMO congruence in existing literature, with one noting a specific paper that does not mention it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between 4-velocity and proper acceleration, particularly in the context of Rindler and ZAMO congruences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships and the references to ZAMO congruence in literature.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the properties of the congruences and the definitions used, particularly concerning the normalization of coordinates and the interpretation of angular momentum in Kerr spacetime.

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About Fermi-Walker transport of proper acceleration vector field along worldlines of timelike congruence
Hi,
starting from a recent thread in this section, I decided to start a new thread about the following:

Take a generic irrotational/zero vorticity timelike congruence. Do the 4-velocity and the direction of proper acceleration (i.e. the vector in that direction at each point with norm 1) commute at each point along the congruence's worldlines ? Or is the direction of proper acceleration actually Fermi-Walker transported along such congruence's worldlines ?
 
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cianfa72 said:
Do the 4-velocity and the direction of proper acceleration (i.e. the vector in that direction at each point with norm 1) commute at each point along the congruence's worldlines ?
I believe the Rindler congruence is a counterexample if you use the 4-velocity and not the corresponding KVF. The direction of proper acceleration commutes with the KVF (which is ##\partial_t## in Rindler coordinates, and the proper acceleration direction is ##\partial_x##), but it does not commute with the 4-velocity (which is ##(1 / x) \partial_t##).

cianfa72 said:
is the direction of proper acceleration actually Fermi-Walker transported along such congruence's worldlines ?
The answer to this is yes for the Rindler congruence; this is shown in the Insights article that was referenced in the previous thread.

Another good congruence to examine would be the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime; it is irrotational but it has nonzero expansion and shear and is in a curved spacetime, so it is a more general case. Also it is not a Killing congruence so that confounding factor is not present.
 
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PeterDonis said:
The answer to this is yes for the Rindler congruence; this is shown in the Insights article that was referenced in the previous thread.
Ok yes, indeed from Insights article the proper acceleration along Rindler congruence's worldlines is ##\frac {1} {X} \hat{e}_1## in Rindler coordinates. The proper acceleration direction is ##\hat{e}_1## everywhere that has norm 1. The Fermi-Walker derivative is ##D_{\hat{e}_0} \hat{e}_1 = 0## hence the direction of proper acceleration is actually Fermi-Walker transported along the Rindler congruence.

PeterDonis said:
Another good congruence to examine would be the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime; it is irrotational but it has nonzero expansion and shear and is in a curved spacetime, so it is a more general case. Also it is not a Killing congruence so that confounding factor is not present.
Have you some reference regarding ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime ?
 
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cianfa72 said:
Have you some reference regarding ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime ?
Most discussions of Kerr spacetime describe it. IIRC Matt Visser's brief paper from a while back on Kerr spacetime gives the math for it.
 
cianfa72 said:
from Insights article the proper acceleration along Rindler congruence's worldlines is ##\frac {1} {X} \hat{e}_1## in Rindler coordinates.
Yes. Or, as the Insights article put it, ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_0} \hat{e}_0 = A \hat{e}_1##. And ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_0} \hat{e}_1 = A \hat{e}_0##. However, ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_1} \hat{e}_0 = 0##, so ##\hat{e}_0## and ##\hat{e}_1## do not commute.

Note, however, that the proper acceleration vector ##A \hat{e}_1## itself, not just its direction, is Fermi-Walker transported along the congruence worldlines. In other words,

$$
D_F (A \hat{e}_1) = \nabla_{\hat{e}_0} (A \hat{e}_1) - (A \hat{e}_1 \cdot A \hat{e}_1) \hat{e}_0 + (A \hat{e}_1 \cdot \hat{e}_0) A \hat{e}_1 = A^2 \hat{e}_0 - A^2 \hat{e}_0 + 0 = 0
$$

where we have used the fact that ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_0} A = 0##, i.e., the magnitude of proper acceleration is constant along the congruence worldlines.
 
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PeterDonis said:
Yes. Or, as the Insights article put it, ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_0} \hat{e}_0 = A \hat{e}_1##. And ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_0} \hat{e}_1 = A \hat{e}_0##. However, ##\nabla_{\hat{e}_1} \hat{e}_0 = 0##, so ##\hat{e}_0## and ##\hat{e}_1## do not commute.
Sorry, in the Insights article the symbol/letter ##A## is defined just for Langevin congruence. In any case for Rindler congruence it should be ##A=1/X## in Rindler coordinates.

PeterDonis said:
Note, however, that the proper acceleration vector ##A \hat{e}_1## itself, not just its direction, is Fermi-Walker transported along the congruence worldlines.
Ok yes. This is a particular case.

PeterDonis said:
Another good congruence to examine would be the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime; it is irrotational but it has nonzero expansion and shear and is in a curved spacetime, so it is a more general case. Also it is not a Killing congruence so that confounding factor is not present.
Kerr spacetime isn't static, however the ZAMO timelike congruence is irrotational/hypersurface orthogonal although it isn't a Killing congruence (otherwise Kerr spacetime would be static while we know it is not).
 
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PeterDonis said:
Most discussions of Kerr spacetime describe it. IIRC Matt Visser's brief paper from a while back on Kerr spacetime gives the math for it.
I found his paper "The Kerr spacetime: A brief introduction" - 2008 from arxiv.org. However I don't see any reference to ZAMO congruence (in any coordinates introduced there).
 
cianfa72 said:
in the Insights article the symbol/letter ##A## is defined just for Langevin congruence.
That's true, but it should be obvious what it refers to for the Rindler congruence--and evidently it is:

cianfa72 said:
for Rindler congruence it should be ##A=1/X## in Rindler coordinates.
Yes. (Strictly speaking, that requires a particular normalization of the ##X## coordinate.)
 
cianfa72 said:
I found his paper "The Kerr spacetime: A brief introduction" - 2008 from arxiv.org. However I don't see any reference to ZAMO congruence (in any coordinates introduced there).
Hm, that's the paper I was thinking of. I must have misremembered.
 
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I found this paper from infn. It states that the angular momentum of free-falling particles in Kerr spacetime is conserved along their timelike worldlines (the conserved value is their angular momentum at radial infinity). In B-L coordinates, ##\partial_t## is a timelike KVF. The value $$L=u^{\mu}m_{\mu}=u_{\phi}=0$$ is kept constant along each ZAMO congruence's member. The paper in 21.3 claims that ZAMO observers in the congruence corotate with the rotating black hole described by Kerr spacetime.

What does it mean that Kerr spacetime describes a rotating black hole? Does it simply mean that, for example, the frame field associated to ZAMO congruence is not Fermi-Walker transported along the ZAMO 4-velocity of each ZAMO congruence's member?

In other words the tetrad field's orthonormal spacelike directions actually "rotate" w.r.t. their Fermi-Walker transported "version" along the congruence's worldlines.
 
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cianfa72 said:
It states that the angular momentum of free-falling particles in Kerr spacetime is conserved along their timelike worldlines
Yes, this is a well known fact that is true for any axisymmetric spacetime--it is what "axisymmetric" means (that there is a conserved angular momentum, or, to put it another way, there is a spacelike KVF with closed orbits).

cianfa72 said:
The paper in 21.3 claims that ZAMO observers in the congruence corotate with the rotating black hole described by Kerr spacetime.
One has to interpret this very carefully. It does not mean that the angular velocity of a ZAMO is everywhere the same as the angular velocity of the hole's horizon. It only means that the angular velocity of a ZAMO is just the right value to make its angular momentum exactly zero. What this value is varies with ##r## and ##\theta## (in Boyer-Lindquist coordinates).

cianfa72 said:
What does it mean that Kerr spacetime describes a rotating black hole?
It means that there is an event horizon ("black hole") which has nonzero angular velocity (it is the ZAMO angular velocity at the ##r## and ##\theta## coordinates of the horizon). The angular velocity is usually defined relative to a stationary observer at infinity. It turns out that this fact is sufficient to ensure that the timelike KVF in Kerr spacetime is not hypersurface orthogonal.
 
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cianfa72 said:
the ZAMO timelike congruence is irrotational/hypersurface orthogonal although it isn't a Killing congruence
This is true, but it's also true that the ZAMO congruence is not Born rigid (it has nonzero expansion and shear, as I have already mentioned).
 
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PeterDonis said:
It means that there is an event horizon ("black hole") which has nonzero angular velocity (it is the ZAMO angular velocity at the ##r## and ##\theta## coordinates of the horizon). The angular velocity is usually defined relative to a stationary observer at infinity. It turns out that this fact is sufficient to ensure that the timelike KVF in Kerr spacetime is not hypersurface orthogonal.
For a good discussion of stationary axisymmetric spacetimes (of which Kerr spacetime is one), their definition and implications, see section 7.1 of Wald.
 
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PeterDonis said:
For a good discussion of stationary axisymmetric spacetimes (of which Kerr spacetime is one), their definition and implications, see section 7.1 of Wald.
I have seen it, however it doesn't help in understanding whether the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime does or does not Fermi-Walker transports the direction of proper acceleration along those congruence's worldlines.
 
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cianfa72 said:
it doesn't help in understanding whether the ZAMO congruence in Kerr spacetime does or does not Fermi-Walker transports the direction of proper acceleration along those congruence's worldlines.
For the free-falling ZAMO congruence, the proper acceleration is zero.

For the "orbiting" ZAMO congruence, i.e., ZAMOs in circular orbits in the equatorial plane, the proper acceleration is nonzero and its variation is somewhat complicated. Wald, IIRC, does not solve this problem explicitly, but he does give useful tools.
 
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PeterDonis said:
For the free-falling ZAMO congruence, the proper acceleration is zero.
Ah ok, hence free-falling ZAMO congruence's worldlines are actually timelike geodesics of Kerr spacetime.

PeterDonis said:
For the "orbiting" ZAMO congruence, i.e., ZAMOs in circular orbits in the equatorial plane, the proper acceleration is nonzero and its variation is somewhat complicated. Wald, IIRC, does not solve this problem explicitly, but he does give useful tools.
You mean ZAMOs in circular orbits in the equatorial plane in Boyer-Lindquist coordinates ##\theta =0##.
 
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cianfa72 said:
free-falling ZAMO congruence's worldlines are actually timelike geodesics of Kerr spacetime.
Yes.

cianfa72 said:
ZAMOs in circular orbits in the equatorial plane in Boyer-Lindquist coordinates ##\theta =0##.
The equatorial plane is ##\theta = \pi / 2##.
 
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