MHB Fernet-Serrat equations and vector calculus

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on proving the equality between the first and third expressions in the context of Fernet-Serrat equations and vector calculus. The key steps involve expressing velocity and its derivatives in terms of unit vectors and applying the product rule. It is established that the term involving the derivative of velocity cancels out, leading to a simplified form. The final equality is demonstrated by relating acceleration to curvature and confirming that both sides of the equation match. The conclusion reinforces the validity of the derived relationships in vector calculus.
Dustinsfl
Messages
2,217
Reaction score
5
I have shown the first two equality and I am working on the showing the 1st equals the 3rd.

\begin{alignat*}{4}
\frac{1}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{{n}}} &= \frac{d\hat{\mathbf{{u}}}}{ds}
&{}= \frac{\dot{\hat{\mathbf{{u}}}}}{\dot{s}}
&{}= \left((\dot{\mathbf{r}} \cdot\dot{\mathbf{r}})\ddot{\mathbf{r}} -
(\dot{\mathbf{r}}\cdot\ddot{\mathbf{r}}) \dot{\mathbf{r}}\right)
\frac{1}{\lvert\dot{r}\rvert^4}
\end{alignat*}



$$
\frac{1}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{{n}}} = \frac{\dot{\hat{\mathbf{{u}}}}}{\dot{s}}
$$
We know that $\mathbf{v} = \frac{ds}{dt}\frac{dr}{ds}$ where $\dot{s} = v$ and $\hat{\mathbf{u}} = \frac{dr}{ds}$.

So $\mathbf{v} = v\hat{\mathbf{u}}\iff \dot{\hat{\mathbf{u}}} = \frac{1}{v}\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt}$.

Then $\frac{\dot{\hat{\mathbf{{u}}}}}{\dot{s}} = \frac{1}{v^2}\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt}$.

I know that
$$
\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt} = \frac{dv}{dt}\hat{\mathbf{u}} + \frac{v^2}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{n}}.
$$
Then $\frac{\dot{\hat{\mathbf{{u}}}}}{\dot{s}} = \frac{1}{v^2}\frac{dv}{dt}\hat{\mathbf{u}} + \frac{1}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{n}}$.
Therefore, $\frac{1}{v^2}\frac{dv}{dt}\hat{\mathbf{u}} = 0$ but how do I show that this is $0$?
 
Last edited:
Mathematics news on Phys.org
dwsmith said:
So $\mathbf{v} = v\hat{\mathbf{u}}\iff \dot{\hat{\mathbf{u}}} = \frac{1}{v}\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt}$.

You need the product rule here.
That is:
$$\mathbf{v} = v\hat{\mathbf{u}} \Rightarrow \dot{\hat{\mathbf{u}}} = \frac{1}{v}\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt} - \frac{\dot v}{v^2}\mathbf v$$

The additional term cancels at the end.
 
I like Serena said:
You need the product rule here.
That is:
$$\mathbf{v} = v\hat{\mathbf{u}} \Rightarrow \dot{\hat{\mathbf{u}}} = \frac{1}{v}\frac{d\mathbf{v}}{dt} - \frac{\dot v}{v^2}\mathbf v$$

The additional term cancels at the end.

How do I show the final equality? Convert to the vector triple product? Use Levi-Civita?

So I wrote the last term as $\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}}\times\dot{\mathbf{r}}$ and used the fact that $\ddot{\mathbf{r}} = \dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\mathbf{c} \times\mathbf{r}$ where $\mathbf{c}$ is a constant vector.
\begin{align}
\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\ddot{\mathbf{r}} \times\dot{\mathbf{r}} &=
\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\dot{\mathbf{r}}\times \mathbf{c} \times\mathbf{r}\times\dot{\mathbf{r}}\\
&= \mathbf{c}\times\mathbf{r}\times\dot{\mathbf{r}}\\
&= \dot{\mathbf{r}}\times\mathbf{c}\times\mathbf{r}\\
&= \ddot{\mathbf{r}}
\end{align}
Then $\ddot{\mathbf{r}} = \left(\frac{ds}{dt}\right)^2\frac{d^2\mathbf{r}}{ds^2} = \frac{v^2}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{n}}$.
Finally, $\frac{1}{\rho}\hat{\mathbf{n}} = \frac{v^2}{\lvert v\rvert^4\rho} \hat{\mathbf{n}} = \frac{1}{\rho} \hat{\mathbf{n}}$
 
Last edited:
Here is a little puzzle from the book 100 Geometric Games by Pierre Berloquin. The side of a small square is one meter long and the side of a larger square one and a half meters long. One vertex of the large square is at the center of the small square. The side of the large square cuts two sides of the small square into one- third parts and two-thirds parts. What is the area where the squares overlap?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
707
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
6K
  • · Replies 29 ·
Replies
29
Views
1K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
500