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The original poster presents several calculus problems involving definite integrals, specifically focusing on integration techniques such as substitution and integration by parts. The problems include integrals of logarithmic and polynomial functions over specified intervals.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the integral of ln(x) and question the original poster's approach to the first integral. There is a suggestion to reconsider the limits of integration for the second integral due to a discontinuity at x = 1. The third integral raises questions about the application of integration by parts and the inclusion of a constant in a definite integral.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's attempts, providing clarifications and questioning assumptions. There is an acknowledgment of the need to break up the second integral due to its discontinuity, and further discussion on the limits for the third integral is ongoing.

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The original poster expresses confusion regarding the answers provided in their textbook, indicating a lack of clarity in the solutions presented. There is also mention of a potential misunderstanding of the integration process and the implications of discontinuities in the integrals being evaluated.

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Hi there, I have a few problems that I am struggling with. The answers in the back of the textbook don't give explanations and my answer comes out different.

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a. (From 0 to 1) [tex]\int[/tex]ln(x) dx
I took this as [1/x]. So I did 1/1 - 1/0 = 1. Is that correct?

b. (From 0 to 3) [tex]\int[/tex]1 / (x-1)2 dx
I used u substitution.

u = x-1
du = dx

New integral: (From 0 to 3)[tex]\int[/tex]1 / u2 du.
Taking the integral: u-2 = - 1 / u => -1 / x-1. Then I took it from 0 to 3.
(- 1 / 3 - 1) - (-1 / 0 - 1) = (-1/2) - (1/1) = -3/2. I got a 7/10 on this one. :\

c. (From 1 to e)[tex]\int[/tex]x2*ln(x) dx
I turned this into integration by parts like this:

u = ln(x)
du = 1/x dx
dv = x2
v = (x3)/3

So uv - [tex]\int[/tex]v du = ln(x)*(x3/3) - [tex]\int[/tex](x3/3)*1/x dx. I eventually got down to:

1/3[x3ln(x)] - 1/9[e3 - 1] + C

Is that correct? This problem isn't given an answer but my original try was definitely wrong. lol

Thank you so much for any help!
 
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hi bgallz! welcome to pf! :smile:

1. erm :redface: … the derivative of lnx is 1/x, isn't it?

2. would be ok, except that everything is infinite at x = 1 :frown:
bgallz said:
1/3[x3ln(x)] - 1/9[e3 - 1] + C

that isn't finished :confused:

(and how can a definite integral have a C ?)
 
Hey thanks for the reply.

1. I thought that taking the integral of ln(x) is also 1/x. But it looks like this right here proves that wrong:
http://math2.org/math/integrals/more/ln.htm

2. Ah yes I totally overlooked that. So I would have to break it up into 2 integrals right? One from 0 to 1 and one from 1 to 3? I forget how that works.

3. Do you mean that I have to calculate e^3 - 1? And yea I don't know why I put the C there.

Thanks!
 
hi bgallz! :smile:
bgallz said:
2. Ah yes I totally overlooked that. So I would have to break it up into 2 integrals right? One from 0 to 1 and one from 1 to 3? I forget how that works.

yes (though if they're ±∞, the sum would be indeterminate)
3. Do you mean that I have to calculate e^3 - 1?

no, i mean you still have x in the first part
 
Can you explain that first part about breaking it up?

And for the 3rd one, I have to run that uv part from 1 to e as well?
 
bgallz said:
Can you explain that first part about breaking it up?

if you draw the graph, you can see that it obviously has a discontinuity, where it goes off to ±∞
And for the 3rd one, I have to run that uv part from 1 to e as well?

yes, everything in integration by parts goes between the same limits :smile:
 

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