Feynman propagator on the cylinder - position space representation

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The discussion revolves around the position space representation of the Feynman propagator on a cylindrical geometry, specifically for a scalar quantum field. Participants explore the differences between momentum space and position space representations, and the implications of periodic boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the position space representation of the Feynman propagator on the cylinder, noting that while the momentum space representation resembles that of Minkowski 2D space, the position space representation differs due to the integrals over momenta being replaced by sums.
  • Another participant suggests consulting Kleinert's book on Path Integrals, which may contain relevant information regarding curvilinear coordinates.
  • A participant expresses that Kleinert's book does not address the needs for fields, specifically seeking the Feynman propagator for a scalar quantum field on the cylinder.
  • One participant cites a paper by Grosche that provides the propagator in cylindrical coordinates and suggests adding a specific integral to the expression, while acknowledging the complexity of the resulting expression.
  • Another participant proposes that searching for screened Coulomb interactions with periodic boundary conditions might yield useful insights, referencing the Ewald summation literature as a potential source.
  • A participant clarifies the distinction between quantum mechanics and field theory in cylindrical coordinates, emphasizing the need for an explicit expression involving a sum and integral that represents the inverse Fourier transform of the Feynman propagator in momentum space.
  • One participant questions the relevance of the screened Coulomb interaction to the current problem, seeking clarification on whether any notes include the necessary sum/integral.
  • Another participant acknowledges the misunderstanding regarding the context of cylindrical coordinates and expresses that their previous attachment is not applicable.
  • One participant references notes from MIT OCW that may contain the desired expression, indicating a specific formula related to the propagator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the position space representation of the Feynman propagator on the cylinder. Multiple competing views and suggestions are presented, but no definitive solution is established.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the applicability of various references and the complexity of the expressions involved. There is a lack of clarity on how the different representations relate to the specific requirements of the problem at hand.

DrFaustus
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Hi all!

Does anyone know the position space representation of the Feynman propagator on the cylinder? The momentum space representation is the same as in Minkowski 2D space, but the position space representation is different because the integrals over momenta are now sums. Or could someone point me to some specific literature where I could find it?
 
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Hi DrFaustus!

Did you have a look in Kleinert's book on Path Integrals? He did a lot in curvelinear coordinates, maybe you find something.

Best regards
 
Hey Sunset, thanks a lot fo the hint but it doesn't appear to be of any use. I had a browse through the book and it seems to me that he's "only" dealing with quantum mechanical systems and not with fields. Which made me realize I wasn't too precise in my question...

I need the Feynman propagator for a scalar quantum field on the cylinder. Any other suggestions?
 
Quantum mechanics has the same form as 1+0 dimensional QFT. I found the propagator in cylindrical coordinates in a paper of Grosche
http://www.iop.org/EJ/abstract/0305-4470/30/5/025"
(see also the attachment)

I think one should only add the [tex]\int d^3 x[/tex] in the exponential.

The problem is that it's a quite difficult expression ;)

I'm curious, for what do you need it? Thought about the singularity at the pole r=0?

Martin
 

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Searching for (screened) coulomb interactions with periodic boundary conditions might help (since 1/(q^2+m^2) is just screened coulomb. The Ewald summation literature might have it as an example.

The 1d version (on a circle) is tractable, I have the answer in some notes somewhere.
 
Sunset -> Thanks for the help... but it again doesn't help :( I know QM is 1+ 0 D QFT, but the one spatial dimension makes a world of difference. The QM propagator in cylindrical coordinates is not the same as the field theoretical propagator on the cylinder. When I say "on the cylinder" I mean that the spacetime I'm living on is a cylinder, i.e. [tex]\mathbb{R}\times\mathbb{S}[/tex]. So it's 2D. It seems to me that the expression in your attachement is the propagator for a problem in QM with axial symmetry in 3 spatial dimension (judging by what I'm guessing are spehrical harmonics in the last line.) Basically what I'm looking for is an explicit expression for

[tex] \int d \omega \sum _{p \in \mathbb{Z}} \frac{e^{i \omega t - i p x}}{- \omega^2 + p^2 + m^2 - i \epsilon}[/tex]

which is the inverse Fourier transform of the Feynamn propagator in momentum space. (M is a positive constant and [tex]\epsilon[/tex] is a small positive infinitesimal.) In Minkowski space the sum would be another integral and one can find that expression in books. But with the sum, I was not able to find it anywhere... I need it just for "completness" as my supervisor wants to put in into the paper we're workin on.

peteratcam -> I'm not sure if a screened coulomb interaction is actually of any help. Do your notes include a sum/integral as above?
 
Oh ok, thought you were talking about fields in cylindrical coordinates. Since you're talking about space-time in cylindrical coordinates, my atachement is of course of no use for you.

Best regards
 
DrFaustus said:
peteratcam -> I'm not sure if a screened coulomb interaction is actually of any help. Do your notes include a sum/integral as above?
I don't know if screened coulomb is any help either!
The result I remember is from some notes which used to be on MIT OCW, but now I can only find them here:
http://www-math.mit.edu/~etingof/
http://www-math.mit.edu/~etingof/lect.ps
Page 51, Quantum Mechanics on the Circle.
The notation takes a while to get used to, but it essentially gives you the answer to the question:
[tex] \sum_p \frac{e^{ipx}}{p^2+m^2}[/tex]
 
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