Feynman’s path integral and an electron in a Penning trap

In summary, the conversation discusses the application of Feynman's path integral formula to determine the time it would take for a diamond to escape from a box. However, this formula only applies to objects in free space and is misleading when applied to confined objects such as the diamond in the box. The formula also does not account for quantum tunneling, which would require an almost infinite amount of time for the diamond to escape.
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Last night the BBC repeated Brian Cox, A Night With the Stars (). At some point a calculation is done using a simplified version of Feynman’s path integral, where the mean time is estimated for a diamond to be found outside a small box:

t>[itex]\frac{x Δx m}{h}[/itex]

The box was not expected to be found empty then after several hundred billion times the age of the universe.
But yet in 1973 it was found to be possible to capture a single electron in a Penning trap, and keep it there for over a week (http://www.iap.uni-bonn.de/lehre/ss06_physik_einz_teil/Inhalte/references/PRL31_Wineland73.pdf ). So when I apply the formula above to the electron, I find that I only have to wait for about a second to have a reasonable chance to find it one meter outside of that trap.
So why doesn’t this experiment invalidate Feynman’s formula?
 
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He used a simplified formula - in particular, the potential height is not part of the final result, but it has to for the electron.
 
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It is always dangerous to use simplified formulas, as you show here.

So is it right to conclude that a free electron will swap its position randomly in space by roughly 1 meter every second (I take Δx = 1 mm and x=1m, and arrive at t=1.4sec)?
 
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The interpretation of the formula in the original post is this: suppose I have an object of mass ##m## in free space, and I know that the particle is somewhere in a region of size ##\Delta x##. Because of the uncertainty principle, the object cannot have exactly zero momentum. Therefore eventually it will move out of these region of space. The formula gives the time ##t## at which the object can be expected to have moved a distance of about ##x## as a result of this nonzero momentum.

In particular, that formula only applies to an object in free space. If we confine the object somehow, such as electron in a trap, that formula has nothing to say about this situation. As an example, if the only object in the universe were a hydrogen atom, consisting of one electron bound to one proton, the electron would *never* escape the proton. (The uncertainty principle still applies, but its consequences are more subtle).

Applying the formula to a diamond in a box is thus misleading, because the box has walls that will keep the diamond inside the box for vastly longer than the formula suggests. The diamond can in principle eventually escape, but only through quantum tunneling, which, for the case of a diamond in a box, would take an almost infinite amount of time.
 

1. What is Feynman's path integral?

Feynman's path integral is a mathematical formulation in quantum mechanics that describes the evolution of a quantum system over time. It is based on the principle that a particle can take all possible paths between two points and the probability of a particle being at a certain point is determined by the sum of all these paths.

2. How is Feynman's path integral used in the study of an electron in a Penning trap?

In the study of an electron in a Penning trap, Feynman's path integral is used to calculate the probability of the electron's position and momentum at any given time. It takes into account the magnetic field and electric potential of the trap, as well as the motion of the electron.

3. What is a Penning trap and how does it work?

A Penning trap is a device used to trap charged particles, such as electrons, in a magnetic and electric field. The magnetic field keeps the particles confined in a circular motion, while the electric field prevents them from escaping in the radial direction. This allows for precise study and manipulation of the particles.

4. Why is studying an electron in a Penning trap important?

Studying an electron in a Penning trap allows for a better understanding of quantum mechanics and the behavior of particles in electromagnetic fields. It also has practical applications in areas such as atomic clocks, particle accelerators, and quantum computing.

5. How does Feynman's path integral help to explain the behavior of an electron in a Penning trap?

Feynman's path integral provides a mathematical framework for understanding the quantum behavior of particles in electromagnetic fields, such as those in a Penning trap. By considering all possible paths of the particle, it allows for a more complete description of the electron's behavior in the trap.

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