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The discussion explores the concept of mixing between fields and space within theoretical frameworks. Participants consider the implications of such mixing in terms of mathematical formulations and physical interpretations, including references to specific theories and models.

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  • One participant inquires about theories that incorporate mixing between fields and space, proposing specific mathematical forms for such interactions.
  • Another participant argues that terms mixing fields and space would not be generally covariant, suggesting that this would lead to a preferred coordinate system and necessitate Lorentz invariance through a vector-valued field.
  • A different participant questions the possibility of constructing a model that allows for fields to transform into space and vice versa.
  • Another participant references Mannheim's conformal gravity paper, discussing a formulation of the Einstein equation that includes terms for both matter and space, suggesting a relationship between matter creation and negative energy of space, and speculating on the existence of a doublet of bosons involved in this process.

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The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, with participants expressing different perspectives on the implications and feasibility of mixing fields and space.

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Some claims rely on specific mathematical assumptions and definitions that are not fully explored, and the implications of Lorentz invariance in the context of the proposed models are not settled.

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Are there any theories that have mixing between fields and space?
For instance, a theory with mixing between two fields might look like:
L_{int} = k \phi(x) \psi(x)
Where mixing between a field and space might look like:
L_{int} = k \phi(x) x
What are the consequences of something like this?
 
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Such a term will never be generally-covariant, so at the very least, it will pick out a preferred coordinate system.

In flat space, with Cartesian coords, you still have to make it Lorentz-invariant. So you'll need a vector-valued field: ##\phi_\mu(x) x^\mu##.
 
Could you construct a model that turns fields into space and vice verse?
 
Not fully sure whether this is the same, but when you look at Mannheim's conformal gravity paper on conformal gravity (http://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.01399.pdf), equation (92) it rephrases the Einstein equation as T (universe) = T (matter) + T (Space) = 0 (with T(space) defines as -G(Einstein)).

Reminds me of the +/- m solutions of Dirac, in this case the idea that matter creation goes hand in hand with equal negative energy of space as a dynamical process. Feels like there should be a kind of (Higgs/ Dilaton) doublet... with a two soft bosons proces to create them (I assume it is allowed to speculate!).

berlin
 

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