Find a Mobius Transformation to Map Real Line to Unit Circle

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The discussion revolves around finding a Möbius transformation that maps the real line to the unit circle. Participants explore the properties and methods of constructing such transformations, including the roles of inversion, rotation, translation, and dilation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant defines a Möbius transformation and provides a specific example, questioning how to derive such transformations systematically.
  • Another participant suggests that Möbius transformations map lines or circles to lines or circles and emphasizes the importance of checking three specific points to confirm the transformation.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how certain values, such as f(0) and f(∞), were determined, and discusses their own reasoning involving magnitudes of coefficients.
  • There is a repeated inquiry into the determination of f(∞) and f(0), with a focus on understanding the underlying principles of mapping regions.
  • One participant mentions a preference for transforming the boundaries of regions to ensure correct mapping of the interior, while also suggesting resources for further exploration of transformations.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the determination of specific values in the transformation. There is no consensus on a singular method for mastering the concepts of inversion, translation, dilation, and rotation in the context of Möbius transformations.

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Participants highlight the need for clarity on the mathematical steps involved in determining the transformation properties and the significance of specific points in the mapping process. Some assumptions about the properties of Möbius transformations remain unexamined.

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Hey mobius transformation defined as
f(z) = \frac{az+b}{cz+d}
and ad \ne bc
it is a one to one function how i can find a mobius transformation that take the real line into the unit circle
I read it in the net
f(z) = \frac{z - i}{z+i}
and i checked it, it takes the real line into the unit circle, but there is a properties of the mobius transformation as the book said it is a combination of translation, inversion, rotation, dilation.

My question is how to find such map, or if we have the real line what first we have to do inversion,rotation,translation, ? to get the circle.

Thanks
 
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Well, Mobius transformations take lines or circles to lines or circles. All you have to do is check three points.

$$f( \infty)=1, \quad f(0) = -1, \quad f(1)= \frac{1-i}{1+i}= \frac{1-i}{1+i} \cdot \frac{1-i}{1-i}
= \frac{1-2i-1}{1+1} = -i.$$

Therefore, you seem to have done it. This method you can use to do most any of these transformations. Take a line or circle into an appropriate line or circle by making sure your $a,b,c,d$ are chosen correctly. Then, if you must map a region, pick a point in the origin region, and make sure it winds up in the destination region.
 
still not clear, how did you determine f(\infty) = 1 , f(0) = -1
what I was thinking about I said
\mid f(0) \mid = 1 \\ \frac{\mid b \mid}{\mid d\mid } = 1 \\ \mid b \mid = \mid d\mid
thats one

then I found that \mid a \mid = \mid c \mid by mapping infinity
after that guessing ?

what I was looking for is to master the inversion,translation, dilation, rotation
so I can imagine what i have to use to take a region to another
 
Amer said:
still not clear, how did you determine f(\infty) = 1 , f(0) = -1

Technically, the $f( \infty)$ is the limit:
$$ \lim_{x \to \infty}f(z)= \lim_{z \to \infty} \frac{z-i}{z+i}
= \lim_{z \to \infty} \frac{1-i/z}{1+i/z}=1.$$

I determined to check $0, 1, \infty$, because those are easy values to check on the real line.

what I was thinking about I said
\mid f(0) \mid = 1 \\ \frac{\mid b \mid}{\mid d\mid } = 1 \\ \mid b \mid = \mid d\mid
thats one

then I found that \mid a \mid = \mid c \mid by mapping infinity
after that guessing ?

what I was looking for is to master the inversion,translation, dilation, rotation
so I can imagine what i have to use to take a region to another

I've always just transformed the boundaries of regions, and made sure the inside of the region gets mapped correctly. You can check out inversions, translations, etc., here.
 
Thanks very :D
 

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