Find a Solution for $y=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}}$

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The discussion focuses on finding the derivative of the function \(y=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}}\) using implicit differentiation and the chain rule. Participants suggest various methods, including squaring the equation to simplify the differentiation process. The final expression for the derivative, after several steps of implicit differentiation, is given as \(y'=\frac{7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}+14y^2-98x}{4y^3y-28xy}\). The use of online calculators like Symbolab is also mentioned, which provides a lengthy derivative expression.

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find y'
$$y=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}}$$

ok this was on mml but they gave an very long process to solve it

don't see any way to expand it except recycle it via chain rule

any suggest...
 
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I think I might square and arrange as:

$$y^2-7x=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}$$

At this point you could implicitly differentiate w.r.t \(x\) and solve for $$\d{y}{x}$$, or you could square again:

$$y^4-14xy^2+49x^2=7x+\sqrt{7x}$$

Now, implicitly differentiate w.r.t \(x\) and solve for $$\d{y}{x}$$. :)
 
well that makes a lot more sense than redoing a chain
 
karush said:
find y'
$$y=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}}$$

ok this was on mml but they gave an very long process to solve it

don't see any way to expand it except recycle it via chain rule

any suggest...
Let $u= \sqrt{7x+ \sqrt{7x}}$ so that $y= \sqrt{7x+ u}= (7x+ u)^{1/2}$. Then $\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{1}{2}(7x+ u)^{-1/2}\left(7+ \frac{du}{dx}\right)$. To find $\frac{du}{dx}$ let $v= \sqrt{7x}$. Then $u= (7x+ v)^{1/2}$. $\frac{du}{dx}= \frac{1}{2}(7x+ v)^{-1/2}\left(7+ \frac{dv}{dx}\right)$.

$\frac{dv}{dx}= \frac{1}{2}(7x)^{-1/2}(7)$.
 
ok that's a very interesting process and easy to follow

but really is that the final answer

runing it thru some of the online calculators returned very long answers

symbolab returned this

$$\frac{28\sqrt{x}\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7}\sqrt{x}}+14\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{7}}{8\sqrt{x}\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7}\sqrt{x}}\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7}\sqrt{x}}}}$$

https://www.symbolab.com/solver/imp...frac{dy}{dx}, y=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}}
 
MarkFL said:
I think I might square and arrange as:

$$y^2-7x=\sqrt{7x+\sqrt{7x}}$$

At this point you could implicitly differentiate w.r.t \(x\) and solve for $$\d{y}{x}$$, or you could square again:

$$y^4-14xy^2+49x^2=7x+\sqrt{7x}$$

Now, implicitly differentiate w.r.t \(x\) and solve for $$\d{y}{x}$$. :)

ok I am going to do this a step at a time since I get hung up on implicit differentation

$$\displaystyle 98x-14y^2=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}$$
 
karush said:
ok I am going to do this a step at a time since I get hung up on implicit differentation

$$\displaystyle 98x-14y^2=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}$$

You can't treat \(y\) as a constant, because it is a function of \(x\). You need to use the chain rule. :)
 
thusly?
$\displaystyle 4y^3y'-14y^2+28xyy'+98x=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}$
 
karush said:
thusly?
$\displaystyle 4y^3y'-14y^2+28xyy'+98x=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}$

Check your signs on the LHS. :)
 
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MarkFL said:
Check your signs on the LHS. :)

i suppose this$\displaystyle 4y^3y'-14y^2-28xyy'+98x=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}$if so then isolate y'
 
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$$\begin{align*}\displaystyle
4y^3y'-14y^2-28xyy'+98x&=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}\tag{implied eq}\\
y'(4y^3y-28xy)&=7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}+14y^2-98x\tag{separate variables}\\
y'&=\frac{7+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2\sqrt{x}}+14y^2-98x}{4y^3y-28xy}\tag{divide both sides}
\end{align*}$$

Ok, if this is correct so far the final would just be simplification which is still a complicated answer.
 

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