Find amplitude and frequency given positions and speeds

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The discussion focuses on solving Problem 5.11 from J.R. Taylor's "Classical Mechanics," which involves determining the amplitude and angular frequency of an oscillating mass given its positions and speeds. The relevant equations for simple harmonic motion are provided, specifically equations 5.5, 5.6, and 5.11. The derived formulas for amplitude (A) and angular frequency (ω) are A = sqrt((x2²v1² - x1²v2²) / (v1² - v2²)) and ω = sqrt((v1² - v2²) / (x2² - x1²)). The discussion emphasizes the necessity of assuming a harmonic potential to apply energy conservation principles effectively.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of simple harmonic motion equations (e.g., Taylor's equations 5.5, 5.6, 5.11)
  • Familiarity with the concepts of potential energy in harmonic systems
  • Knowledge of energy conservation principles in mechanics
  • Ability to differentiate trigonometric functions
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the derivation of energy conservation in harmonic oscillators
  • Learn about potential energy functions in classical mechanics
  • Explore advanced applications of simple harmonic motion in real-world systems
  • Investigate the implications of varying mass and spring constants on oscillation characteristics
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Homework Statement



I'm working my way through Classical Mechanics by J.R. Taylor. I'm stumped by the one-star ("easiest") Problem 5.11: "You are told that, at known positions x1 and x2, an oscillating mass m has speeds v1 and v2. What are the amplitude and angular frequency of the oscillations?"

Homework Equations



Taylor gives the following equations for simple harmonic motion:

5.5 x(t) = C[itex]_{1}[/itex]e[itex]^{iωt}[/itex] + C[itex]_{2}[/itex]e[itex]^{iωt}[/itex]
5.6 x(t) = B[itex]_{1}[/itex]cos(ωt) + B[itex]_{2}[/itex]sin(ωt)
5.11 x(t) = Acos(ωt - [itex]\delta[/itex])
5.14 x(t) = Re[Aei(ωt - [itex]\delta[/itex])]

Taylor gives relationships among the constants A, B's, and C's.

The Attempt at a Solution



Solutions are given at the back of the book:

A = sqrt( (x[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]v[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex] - x[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]v[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]) / (v[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex] - v[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]))

ω = sqrt( (v[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex] - v[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]) / (x[itex]_{2}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex] - x[itex]_{1}[/itex][itex]^{2}[/itex]) )

Equations 5.6 and 5.11 immediately give positions at times ωt[itex]_{1}[/itex] and ωt[itex]_{2}[/itex]; differentiating those equations gives speeds. It's easy to get the amplitude A in terms of ωt, e.g.

A = x[itex]_{1}[/itex]/cos(ωt[itex]_{1}[/itex]).

But I can't figure out how to get A in terms of the x's and v's. I don't see how to separate ω from the t's, or how to get ω out of the trig functions.
 
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Those formulas all assume that the oscillation is around x=0. Do we know that? Let's assume we do.
We need the additional assumption that the mass is in a harmonic potential.

Can you write down the potential?
Based on this potential and the velocities, what can you tell about the energies at x1 and x2? What about energy conservation?
With the known energy and shape of the potential, you can calculate everything else.
 
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Oh. Potential energy. Of course. That works--thanks!
 

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