Find an orthogonal quantum state: introduction to dirac notation.

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The discussion revolves around finding an orthogonal quantum state to a given spin 1/2 particle state expressed in Dirac notation. The original poster presents a state \(\left|\Psi\right\rangle\) defined by complex coefficients \(\alpha\) and \(\beta\) and seeks to identify a state \(\left|\Phi\right\rangle\) that is orthogonal to it.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the condition for orthogonality, specifically the inner product being zero. The original poster proposes a form for \(\left|\Phi\right\rangle\) and expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Others suggest scaling properties of orthogonal states and offer algebraic relationships to derive \(\left|\Phi\right\rangle\).

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of different forms of the orthogonal state, with some participants providing algebraic insights and clarifications. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly regarding the implications of scaling states and normalization.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of quantum mechanics principles, specifically the properties of orthogonal states and normalization in Hilbert space. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the algebra involved in finding the orthogonal state.

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Homework Statement



Suppose we have a spin 1/2 Particle in a prepared state:

\left|\Psi\right\rangle = \alpha \left|\uparrow\right\rangle + \beta\left|\downarrow\right\rangle

where

\left|\uparrow\right\rangle \left|\downarrow\right\rangle

are orthonormal staes representing spin up and spin down respectively.

also: \left|\alpha\right|^2 + \left|\beta\right|^2 = 1

\alpha & \beta are complex numbers.

find a state which is orthogonal to \left|\Psi\right\rangle

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I went about this first by saying that the inner product of two states which are orthogonal is 0, so propose that:

\left\langle\Phi\right|\left|\Psi\right\rangle = 0

where
\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \gamma\left|\uparrow\right\rangle + \delta\left|\downarrow\right\rangle

where \gamma & \delta are complex numbers:

\therefore

\left\langle\Phi\right|\left|\Psi\right\rangle = \alpha \gamma^* + \beta \delta^* = 0

Not sure where to go from here, i must be missing something. anyone know what it is?
 
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Note that if |\Phi\rangle is orthogonal to |\Psi\rangle, then so is c|\Phi\rangle for any complex number c. You can use this to scale away one of the coefficients in your expression for |\Phi\rangle and then solve for the other.
 
Not sure I'm following. I could just say that:

\alpha \gamma^* = -\beta \delta^*

then the following relationship would satisfy.

\gamma^* = \beta , \delta^* = -\alpha

so:
\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha\left|\downarrow\right\rangle
 
Of course, that's one particular solution. fzero only said that for any complex c
|\Theta\rangle = c |\Phi\rangle also is orthogonal to |\Psi\rangle, which you could have used in your solution. But it isn't necessary.
 
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knowlewj01 said:
Not sure I'm following. I could just say that:

\alpha \gamma^* = -\beta \delta^*

then the following relationship would satisfy.

\gamma^* = \beta , \delta^* = -\alpha

so:
\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha\left|\downarrow\right\rangle

This should be

\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta^*\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha^*\left|\downarrow\right\rangle .

Note that

\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta^*\left( \left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \frac{\alpha^*}{\beta^*} \left|\downarrow\right\rangle \right),

so any multiple of

\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \frac{\alpha^*}{\beta^*} \left|\downarrow\right\rangle

is orthogonal to |\Psi\rangle.

I just thought you were having algebra trouble, so starting with a state with \gamma=1 would make things easier. However, the fact that all vectors in the Hilbert space that differ only by a rescaling correspond to the same physical state is a fundamental concept.

The extra benefit of the state that you actually found though is that it's already normalized.
 

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