Find an orthogonal quantum state: introduction to dirac notation.

If you had started with \gamma=1, you would have had to normalize |\Phi\rangle after the fact.In summary, the conversation discusses finding a state that is orthogonal to a spin 1/2 particle in a prepared state. Using the fact that the inner product of two orthogonal states is 0, it is proposed that the state |\Phi\rangle = \gamma\left|\uparrow\right\rangle + \delta\left|\downarrow\right\rangle is orthogonal to |\Psi\rangle. By setting \gamma = \beta and \delta = -\alpha, a normalized state |\Phi\rangle = \beta^*\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha^*\left|\
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Homework Statement



Suppose we have a spin 1/2 Particle in a prepared state:

[itex]\left|\Psi\right\rangle = \alpha \left|\uparrow\right\rangle + \beta\left|\downarrow\right\rangle[/itex]

where

[itex]\left|\uparrow\right\rangle \left|\downarrow\right\rangle[/itex]

are orthonormal staes representing spin up and spin down respectively.

also: [itex] \left|\alpha\right|^2 + \left|\beta\right|^2 = 1[/itex]

[itex]\alpha & \beta[/itex] are complex numbers.

find a state which is orthogonal to [itex]\left|\Psi\right\rangle[/itex]

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The Attempt at a Solution



I went about this first by saying that the inner product of two states which are orthogonal is 0, so propose that:

[itex] \left\langle\Phi\right|\left|\Psi\right\rangle = 0[/itex]

where
[itex]\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \gamma\left|\uparrow\right\rangle + \delta\left|\downarrow\right\rangle[/itex]

where [itex] \gamma & \delta[/itex] are complex numbers:

[itex] \therefore[/itex]

[itex] \left\langle\Phi\right|\left|\Psi\right\rangle = \alpha \gamma^* + \beta \delta^* = 0[/itex]

Not sure where to go from here, i must be missing something. anyone know what it is?
 
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Note that if [tex]|\Phi\rangle[/tex] is orthogonal to [tex]|\Psi\rangle[/tex], then so is [tex]c|\Phi\rangle[/tex] for any complex number [tex]c[/tex]. You can use this to scale away one of the coefficients in your expression for [tex]|\Phi\rangle[/tex] and then solve for the other.
 
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Not sure I'm following. I could just say that:

[itex]\alpha \gamma^* = -\beta \delta^*[/itex]

then the following relationship would satisfy.

[itex] \gamma^* = \beta , \delta^* = -\alpha[/itex]

so:
[itex]\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha\left|\downarrow\right\rangle[/itex]
 
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Of course, that's one particular solution. fzero only said that for any complex c
[tex] |\Theta\rangle = c |\Phi\rangle[/tex] also is orthogonal to [tex]|\Psi\rangle[/tex], which you could have used in your solution. But it isn't necessary.
 
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knowlewj01 said:
Not sure I'm following. I could just say that:

[itex]\alpha \gamma^* = -\beta \delta^*[/itex]

then the following relationship would satisfy.

[itex] \gamma^* = \beta , \delta^* = -\alpha[/itex]

so:
[itex]\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha\left|\downarrow\right\rangle[/itex]

This should be

[itex]\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta^*\left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \alpha^*\left|\downarrow\right\rangle .[/itex]

Note that

[itex]\left|\Phi\right\rangle = \beta^*\left( \left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \frac{\alpha^*}{\beta^*} \left|\downarrow\right\rangle \right),[/itex]

so any multiple of

[tex] \left|\uparrow\right\rangle - \frac{\alpha^*}{\beta^*} \left|\downarrow\right\rangle [/tex]

is orthogonal to [tex]|\Psi\rangle[/tex].

I just thought you were having algebra trouble, so starting with a state with [tex]\gamma=1[/tex] would make things easier. However, the fact that all vectors in the Hilbert space that differ only by a rescaling correspond to the same physical state is a fundamental concept.

The extra benefit of the state that you actually found though is that it's already normalized.
 

1. What is an orthogonal quantum state?

An orthogonal quantum state is a state within the quantum mechanical system that is perpendicular to another state. This means that the two states have no overlap and are completely independent of each other.

2. How is Dirac notation used to represent quantum states?

Dirac notation, also known as bra-ket notation, is a mathematical notation used to represent and manipulate quantum states. It uses the symbols and to represent bra and ket vectors, respectively, and allows for easy calculation and transformation of quantum states.

3. Why is finding orthogonal quantum states important?

Finding orthogonal quantum states is important because it allows us to describe and understand the behavior of quantum systems. These states are used to represent the different possible outcomes of measurements and to calculate the probabilities of those outcomes.

4. How do you find an orthogonal quantum state?

To find an orthogonal quantum state, you can use the Gram-Schmidt process, which is a mathematical method for finding an orthogonal basis for a vector space. This involves finding a set of basis vectors that are perpendicular to each other and span the entire vector space.

5. What are some applications of orthogonal quantum states?

Orthogonal quantum states have a wide range of applications in quantum mechanics, including quantum computing, quantum cryptography, and quantum information processing. They are also used in quantum algorithms and in the analysis of quantum systems in various fields such as physics, chemistry, and engineering.

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