Find Angular Speed: Urgent Help Needed - Can't Get 32.9

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular speed of a sphere rolling down a slope, with a specific focus on the value of 32.9. Participants express frustration over the problem and the methods to arrive at the solution.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning the equations used for angular speed. They discuss the combination of translational and rotational kinetic energy and the implications of mass in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided calculations and reasoning, while others are questioning the validity of certain equations and the role of angular acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problem without a clear consensus.

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Participants note the absence of time in the problem setup and the initial conditions of the sphere starting from rest. There is also mention of homework constraints and the need to reconcile different methods of calculating angular speed.

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Urgent help needed with finding angular speed? This is impossible!

I've even asked on Y!A and THEY all got it WRONG.

Webassign says the answer is 32.9 but how?
This is so freaking frustrating...anlfdsfjlkdjf

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Ok...so what I tried doing was ask myself what the equation for angular speed was.ω = at

And then I realized, they don't give me time. So I MUST use some OTHER equation to find angular speed. And then I realized that the key word in the problem was that sphere STARTED FROM REST (INITIAL POSITION) and ENDED AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE (FINAL.) And then I was like OHHHHH... ok this should be a freaking walk in the park...

-.-

PEinitial + [STRIKE]KEinitial[/STRIKE] = [STRIKE]PEfinal[/STRIKE] + KEfinal

In other words, the ball has PE at the top when it's at rest and no KE, and when it rolls to the bottom it has no PE but it has KE.

So...

1) PEinitial = KEfinal
mgh = (1/2)mω2

2) Find mass and plug it in equation above

F = ma
(300 N) = m(9.8)
300/9.8 = m
30.61 kg = m

And then here I said to myself "for the love of God...mass cancels out anyways -.- what a huge waste of time"

3) gh = (1/2)ω2
(9.8)(6 sin 31) = (0.5)ω2
30.28 = (0.5)ω2

30.28/0.5 = ω2
60.56 = ω2
7.78 = ω

?
Help?

Can someone please SHOW me and explain to me how they got 32.9?
 
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The motion of the sphere combines translation and rotation. Total KE is the sum of the respective KE's. What are they?
 


voko said:
The motion of the sphere combines translation and rotation. Total KE is the sum of the respective KE's. What are they?

1) PE = Total KE (Rotational KE + Linear KE) since the solid sphere is rotating while it rolls down the slope.

2) mgh = (1/2)Iω2 + (1/2)mv2
m(9.8)(3.09) = (1/2)[(2/5)mr2](v/r)2 + (1/2)mv2
(30.282)m = (1/5)mr2(v2/r2) + (1/2)mv2
(30.282)m = (1/5)mv2 + (1/2)mv2
30.282 = (1/5)v2 + (1/2)v2
30.282 = (0.2)v2 + (0.5)v2
30.282 = 0.7v2
43.26 = v2
6.57 m/s = v

3) Angular velocity (ω) = v/r

ω = 6.57/0.20
ω = 32.85
ω = 32.9

So ultimately, it didn't matter what the Force (F) was in this particular problem right?
Also, I thought angular velocity/speed (ω) was ω = at?
Do I use (ω) = v/r when a solid sphere is in motion/rolling?
 
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That seems good.
 


It's not a case of using only one or the other...

Also, I thought angular velocity/speed (ω) was ω = at?

That equation is an equation of motion similar to Velocity = acceleration/time eg...

Angular Velocity = Angular acceleration * time

it's fine to use that to solve a problem if you know the Angular acceleration and time or can calculate them from the data given.

Do I use (ω) = v/r when a solid sphere is in motion/rolling?

That equation comes from the properties of a circle and the definition of angular velocity...

velocity = distance / time
v = circumference / time for one revolution
v = 2∏r / T

angular velocity ω = angle / time
ω = 2∏ (radians) / time for one revolution

so

v = ωr and
ω = v/r

It's fine to use that to solve a problem if you know or can calculate v.
 

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