Find Basis for Span: \vec{a_{1}} to \vec{a_{4}}

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The discussion revolves around finding a basis for the span of four given vectors in R^4. Participants explore methods for determining the basis through matrix representation and row reduction techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests instructions rather than a solution for finding a basis for the span of the vectors.
  • Another participant suggests creating a matrix with the vectors as rows and performing row reduction to find the basis.
  • A participant presents the row reduced echelon form of the matrix and claims that the basis consists of the standard basis vectors in R^4.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous claim about the basis derived from the row reduced form.
  • One participant notes that the span of the four vectors is all of R^4.
  • Another participant adds that both the standard basis vectors and the column vectors of the matrix form a basis, and discusses the case when column vectors do not span the entire space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method of finding the basis and the conclusion that the span of the vectors is all of R^4. However, there is no explicit consensus on the implications of cases where the column vectors do not span the entire space.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions regarding the row reduction process or the properties of the vectors involved.

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I don't wan't a solution I wan't only instructions how to solve this problem:

Find a basis for the span: [tex]\vec{a_{1}}=(1,\,-1,\,6,\,0),\,\vec{a_{2}}=(3,\,-2,\,1,\,4),\,\vec{a_{3}}=(1,\,-2,\,1,\,-2),\,\vec{a_{4}}=(10,\,1,\,7,\,3)[/tex]
 
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Make a matrix with a1, a2, a3, and a4 in separate rows, with each component of each vector in a separate column. Put it in row reduced echelon form. The nonzero rows of your new matrix are the vectors that form the basis.
 
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So under your guidance the row reduced eshelon form of the matrix:

[tex]A=\left( \begin{array}{cccc}1 &-1 & 6 & 0\\ 3 &-2 & 1 & 4\\ 1 &-2 & 1 &-2\\ 10 & 1 & 7 & 3\\ \end{array} \right)[/tex] is [tex]\left( \begin{array}{cccc}1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1\\ \end{array} \right)[/tex] so the basis are vectors [tex]\vec{e_1}(1,\,0,\,0,\,0),\,\vec{e_2}(0,\,1,\,0,\,0),\,\vec{e_3}(0,\,0,\,1,\,0)[/tex] and [tex]\vec{e_4}(0,\,0,\,0,\,1)[/tex] right?
 
yeah that's what I got
 
Thanks a lot for the tips :).
 
Which says that the span of those four vectors is, in fact, all of [itex]R^4[/itex].
 
Because the span of those vectors is all of R^4, both the 4 standard R^4 basis vectors and the column vectors of your matrix form a basis. What's more interesting is the case when the column vectors do not span the entire space. Then you take the column vectors from your matrix that correspond to the columns with pivots in reduced form, and those form a basis for the column space.
 

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