Find Best Undergraduate Math Schools for Low Income Students

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The discussion revolves around identifying state schools in the United States that offer strong undergraduate mathematics programs, particularly for students who may face financial challenges. Participants share their experiences, opinions, and suggestions regarding various institutions and the implications of socioeconomic status on educational opportunities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about good state schools for undergraduate mathematics, expressing concerns about their financial situation and self-perceived academic abilities.
  • There are suggestions for specific universities, including the University of Washington, Washington State University, University of Michigan, UCLA, UC Berkeley, Ohio State, and others, as potential options for strong mathematics programs.
  • Some participants discuss the impact of socioeconomic status on access to education, with varying opinions on whether being poor limits opportunities more than perceived academic ability.
  • Several participants mention the availability of scholarships at liberal arts colleges and the importance of a supportive academic environment for mathematics.
  • There is a discussion about the relevance of undergraduate rankings versus graduate program rankings, with some participants suggesting that many state schools provide a decent education at the undergraduate level.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the self-deprecating language used by others regarding their intelligence and its potential impact on college admissions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between socioeconomic status and academic opportunities, with no clear consensus on whether being poor is a significant barrier. There is also no agreement on which specific schools are the best options, as various institutions are suggested without a definitive ranking or preference.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that costs associated with attending out-of-state schools can be comparable to private institutions, which may influence decisions. Additionally, there are references to the importance of individual circumstances, such as grades and extracurricular activities, in the college application process.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for prospective undergraduate mathematics students, particularly those from low-income backgrounds, who are exploring their options for higher education in the United States.

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any good state schools for undergraduate mathematics?

i'm stupid and poor
 
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mongoose said:
any good state schools for undergraduate mathematics?

i'm stupid and poor

Well which state do you live in?
 
mongoose said:
any good state schools for undergraduate mathematics?

i'm stupid and poor

poor is nothing but stupid, that'll keep you out of places.
 
i live in wa, but i wanted to know if there are any state schools with a good reputation for their mathematics program




oh and...

"poor is nothing but stupid, that'll keep you out of places."


i live in america

hah
 
mongoose said:
i live in wa, but i wanted to know if there are any state schools with a good reputation for their mathematics program




oh and...

"poor is nothing but stupid, that'll keep you out of places."


i live in america


hah

i am probably poorer than you and also live in america, what's your point?
 
my point was that in america, if you're rich, the world is open to you.

if you're poor, well...no one gives a ****


so...poor will keep you out of places...not being stupid


ANYWAYS

back to the orignal question

state schools?...anybody?
 
mongoose said:
my point was that in america, if you're rich, the world is open to you.

if you're poor, well...no one gives a ****


so...poor will keep you out of places...not being stupid


ANYWAYS

back to the orignal question

state schools?...anybody?

in any state? you realize going out of your home state will cost just as much as a private school. and no poor will not keep you out of anywhere.
 
WA is Washington right? The obvious choice would be University of Washington, but I am guessing that you are implying that you are too stupid to go there. What about Washington State University?
 
mattmns said:
WA is Washington right? The obvious choice would be University of Washington, but I am guessing that you are implying that you are too stupid to go there. What about Washington State University?

yeah, of course I'm thinking of those schools

but i just wanted to know if anyone on this forum knows of any state schools with a good reputation for their mathematics curriculum

anybody


arizona state?

chico state?

?
 
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mongoose said:
any good state schools for undergraduate mathematics?

i'm stupid and poor

Trade school maybe?
 
  • #11
cyrusabdollahi said:
Trade school maybe?

you know a trade school with a good reputation for mathematics?
 
  • #12
Oh boy... I said trade school because no school is going to waste their time one someone who calls themselves 'stupid and poor'.

Honestly, if you call yourself 'stupid', do you think a 'good school for math' is going to want to see your application?
 
  • #13
university of michigan
penn state
ucla
uc berkeley
ohio state
university of georgia
unc-chapel hill

many lac's give out scholarships. try them.
 
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  • #14
You'll probably get a decent undergrad education at most decent state schools. Schools are usually ranked on their individual programs at the graduate level, not so much undergrad. I go to Stony Brook, and we have a pretty good math dept. (#8 in the country for Geometry, last time I checked). Dirt cheap, if you are a NYS resident; still wouldn't be too expensive for you either, but nowhere near as cheap as for an in-stater.
 
  • #15
tronter said:
university of michigan
penn state
ucla
uc berkeley
ohio state
university of georgia
unc-chapel hill

thanks buddy!
 
  • #16
NathanExplosion said:
You'll probably get a decent undergrad education at most decent state schools. Schools are usually ranked on their individual programs at the graduate level, not so much undergrad. I go to Stony Brook, and we have a pretty good math dept. (#8 in the country for Geometry, last time I checked). Dirt cheap, if you are a NYS resident; still wouldn't be too expensive for you either, but nowhere near as cheap as for an in-stater.


cool man, thanks
 
  • #17
I believe ohio state uses spivak for calculus. mathwonk is from UGA, and they also use spivak. the others are good as well. you should also try liberal arts colleges, as they focus primarily on undergraduate education. most give scholarships. smaller number of students + studying with experts = learning more.
 
  • #18
Just curious, what did you mean by "stupid?" I know you were probably being modest, but as an out-of-stater, unless you are an amazing student, you could probably save your money and not apply to Berkeley, UCLA, and UMich.
 
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NathanExplosion said:
Just curious, what did you mean by "stupid?" I know you were probably being modest, but as an out-of-stater, unless you are an amazing student, you could probably save your money and not apply to Berkeley, UCLA, and UMich.

yeah..i'm not incredibly stupid, just kinda spacey...i just me ant that I'm not one of those people who can multiply 5 digit numbers in their heads and such

i'm not not an amazing student, but not a bad one

i just love mathematics and would like to go to a school with a productive mathematical environment...with other students as passionate about the subject as i am
 
  • #20
mongoose said:
yeah..i'm not incredibly stupid, just kinda spacey...i just me ant that I'm not one of those people who can multiply 5 digit numbers in their heads and such

i'm not not an amazing student, but not a bad one

i just love mathematics and would like to go to a school with a productive mathematical environment...with other students as passionate about the subject as i am

Yeah, that's what I thought. I often call myself stupid as well; hopefully I'm more modest than I am truthful.

Are you looking to stay on the West Coast? If I were you, and had really good grades/test scores/extra-curriculars, I'd try to go to a UC (like Berkeley).
 
  • #21
mongoose said:
"poor is nothing but stupid, that'll keep you out of places."


i live in america

hah

no... i think you are misinterpreting it. he isn't saying poor is nothing but stupid. he's saying poor is nothing, but stupid will keep you out of places. i hope.

poor=stupid? maybe that's why our market hasn't been doing so good
 
  • #22
NathanExplosion said:
Yeah, that's what I thought. I often call myself stupid as well; hopefully I'm more modest than I am truthful.

Are you looking to stay on the West Coast? If I were you, and had really good grades/test scores/extra-curriculars, I'd try to go to a UC (like Berkeley).

i'm open to moving, doesn't really matter to me

i'd love to go to berkley...i'm going to try to go there for graduate school, i don't think i'll make the cut right now though
 
  • #23
mongoose said:
i'm open to moving, doesn't really matter to me

i'd love to go to berkley...i'm going to try to go there for graduate school, i don't think i'll make the cut right now though

Cool. Well out here, I think some strong programs (state) are U of Maryland, Stony Brook, and Rutgers.
 
  • #24
NathanExplosion said:
Cool. Well out here, I think some strong programs (state) are U of Maryland, Stony Brook, and Rutgers.

yeah, someone just mentioned stony brook ...i'll check that place out
 
  • #25
tronter said:
university of michigan
penn state
ucla
uc berkeley
ohio state
university of georgia
unc-chapel hill

many lac's give out scholarships. try them.

I'm sure mathwonk would fully recommend that one :rolleyes:
 
  • #26
I presume that is irony. Mathwonk is never particularly flattering about the content of UGA's course. That list appears to be in no particular order and has some odd places. Most oddly, given the OPs home state, it doesn't mention U of Wash (Seattle) which would be amongst the top 4 state schools along with UCB, UCLA, and U Mich.

Incidentally, poor is no barrier in the US academic system, contrary to public opinion. To quote a friend of mine: anyone who goes to Yale and actually pays 30,000 must be incredibly stupid. The means tested grants, and scholarships available to able students offset huge proportions of the cost.
 
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  • #27
all of those schools have good undergraduate programs. Maybe UWash. does too.
 

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