Find Distance between Poles Given Hanging Cable

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the geometry of a hanging cable, specifically a catenary, and the calculation of the distance between two poles based on given dimensions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual understanding of catenary curves.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the cable forms a catenary, not a parabola, and provides the basic equation for a catenary.
  • Another participant shares a personal anecdote about using similar principles for a bridge design and references external resources on catenary curves.
  • A participant questions the implications of the poles being closer together, suggesting a deeper exploration of the problem's setup.
  • A later reply acknowledges a typo in the original post regarding the term "pole" and corrects it to "poles."

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of the catenary shape or the specific calculations needed, and multiple viewpoints regarding the problem's setup and terminology are present.

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There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the calculation of the distance between the poles based on the catenary equation and the specific conditions of the problem.

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The ends of an 80-foot cable are attached to the tops of two 50-foot pole.
The lowest point of the cable is 10 feet from the ground.
Find the distance between the poles.

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                L = 80
         *                 *
         |                 |
         |                 |
         |*               *|
         |                 |
      50 | *             * | 50
         |  *           *  |
         |    *       *    |
         |        *        |
         |        :        |
         |        :10      |
         |        :        |
         *--------+--------*
         : - - -  x  - - - :
The equation of a hanging cable is not a parabola.

It is a catenary, with the basic equation: .y \:=\:\frac{e^{ax} + e^{-ax}}{2}[There is a reason why this problem is not
. . listed under "Challenge Questions".]
 
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This is what I used to get my bridge design lol. I had to write a paper on this. Wish I could find it on my school computer and give it to you guys. Here is a mathematician from oxford that is inspiring and talks about catenary The Catenary - Mathematics All Around Us. - YouTube Although not an explanation more like trying to get people to see something in mathematics, here is one that explains catenary curve The Catenary - YouTube .
 
I'm thinking, what happens when the poles get closer and closer together? View attachment 716Aha! So that's why you wrote "pole" rather than "poles", I thought it was just a typo.
 

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Hello, Opalg!

You got it!

The word "pole" was indeed a typo.
I've corrected it.
 

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