Find Expectation Values of Spin in State |ψ⟩

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The discussion revolves around finding the expectation values of spin components in a given quantum state, specifically the state ##|\psi \rangle =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+\rangle +|- \rangle)##, where ##|+\rangle## and ##|-\rangle## are eigenstates of the z-component of spin. Participants explore the implications of this superposition on the expectation values of the spin operators ##\hat{S}_x##, ##\hat{S}_y##, and ##\hat{S}_z##.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of expectation values and question why ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle## is non-zero despite the state being a superposition of spin states in the z-direction. There is also a query about the implications of having a 50% distribution of particles in each state and how that affects measurements of spin along the x-axis.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the nature of eigenstates and their relation to expectation values, suggesting that if a state is an eigenfunction of a spin operator, the corresponding expectation value will not be zero. The conversation is ongoing, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the measurement outcomes and probabilities associated with different spin states.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of measuring spin in a system with a defined distribution of particles across the eigenstates, raising questions about the average outcomes of such measurements.

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Homework Statement


Find expectation values ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle##, ##\langle \hat{S}_y \rangle##, ##\langle \hat{S}_z \rangle## in state
##|\psi \rangle =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+\rangle +|- \rangle)##
##|+\rangle## and ##|-\rangle## are normalized eigen vectors of ##z## projection of spin.


Homework Equations


## \hat{S}_x=\frac{\hbar}{2}\sigma_x ##
## \hat{S}_y=\frac{\hbar}{2}\sigma_y ##
## \hat{S}_z=\frac{\hbar}{2}\sigma_z ##
where sigmas are Pauli matrices.


The Attempt at a Solution


After calculation I get ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}##, ##\langle \hat{S}_y \rangle=0##, ##\langle \hat{S}_z \rangle=0##
Why ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle## isn't zero if wave function is superposition of up and down in z-direction? Tnx for the answer!
 
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LagrangeEuler said:

The Attempt at a Solution


After calculation I get ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle=\frac{\hbar}{2}##, ##\langle \hat{S}_y \rangle=0##, ##\langle \hat{S}_z \rangle=0##
Why ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle## isn't zero if wave function is superposition of up and down in z-direction? Tnx for the answer!

The two states ##|+\rangle## and ##|-\rangle##, which are eigenfunctions of ## \hat{S}_z##, can be used as basis states for expanding any other spin state. So, a state of spin "up" in the x direction, for example, can be expanded as a superposition of the ## \hat{S}_z## eigenstates ##|+\rangle## and ##|-\rangle##.

Can you show that the state ##|\psi \rangle =\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}}(|+\rangle +|- \rangle)## is an eigenstate of ## \hat{S}_x## with eigenvalue ##+\frac{\hbar}{2}##? If so, then ##|\psi \rangle ## represents a state with spin along the + x axis. So, it shouldn't be surprising to find that ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle## is nonzero
 
Tnx a lot. :) And what about if I have amount of spins ##50%## in state ##|+\rangle## and ##50%## in state ##|-\rangle##. Is there some difference?
 
Are you saying that you have 100 particles with 50 that are known to be in state ##|+\rangle## and 50 in state ##|-\rangle## and then you want to calculate the average value of the outcome of measuring the x-component of spin on all of these particles?
 
Yes.
 
What are the possible values for the outcome of measuring the spin component along the x-axis for a particle in the state ##|+\rangle## with spin up in the z direction? What is the probability for finding each of these outcomes?
 
Well you want to say that if ##|\psi \rangle## is eigen function of spin projection operator ##\hat{S}_n## then ##\langle \hat{S}_n \rangle \neq 0##, otherwise ##\langle \hat{S}_n \rangle =0##.
 
LagrangeEuler said:
Well you want to say that if ##|\psi \rangle## is eigen function of spin projection operator ##\hat{S}_n## then ##\langle \hat{S}_n \rangle \neq 0##, otherwise ##\langle \hat{S}_n \rangle =0##.

If ##|\psi \rangle## is an eigenfunction of some operator ##\hat{A}## with eigenvalue ##\lambda##, then ##\langle \hat{A}\rangle = \lambda##. So, if ##\lambda \neq 0## then ##\langle \hat{A} \rangle \neq 0##.

You should be able to how that your ##|\psi \rangle## is an eigenfunction of ##\hat{S}_x## with eigenvalue ##\hbar/2##. So, ##\langle \hat{S}_x \rangle = \hbar/2##.

If you have a state ##|\psi \rangle## that is not an eigenfunction of the operator ##\hat{A}##, then ##\langle \hat{A}\rangle## might or might not equal zero.
 

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