Find Force Applied to Tooth with Tension of 2.0 N

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the application of force to a front tooth using an elastic cord under tension. The tension in the cord is specified as 2.0 N, and participants are exploring how to determine the magnitude and direction of the force applied to the front tooth.

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  • Participants are attempting to resolve the components of tension and how they relate to the force on the front tooth. There are questions about the use of trigonometric functions (sine and cosine) in the calculations, as well as the need for a free body diagram to clarify the forces involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning the methods used. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of drawing a free body diagram to visualize the forces acting on the teeth. There is a recognition that the problem involves different considerations when given tension versus weight.

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Participants are navigating potential confusion between the roles of tension and weight in the problem, as well as the implications of the angles involved in the setup. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct interpretation of the forces at play.

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The drawing below shows an elastic cord attached to two back teeth and stretched across a front tooth. The purpose of this arrangement is to apply a force to the front tooth. (The figure has been simplified by running the cord straight from the front tooth to the back teeth.) If the tension in the cord is 2.0 N, what are the magnitude and direction of the force applied to the front tooth?
N toward the back of the mouth








Closest I can figure this should be the T=2(sin/cos33) depending on whether you're trying to find the vertical or horizontal component of this problem. I believe I'm trying to find the x value so I have

2=T(cos33)(2) so I solve that algebraically and I get this

2/2cos(33) = t I put that in and it comes out to 1.2 to two sig figs. but apparently that's wrong, the only other thing I can figure is the 2's cancel and I'm left with 1/cos33 = T which is also 1.2. So where am I going wrong are there more forces? should I be using sin rather than cos? or am I not even solving the right problem?
 
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Hi Resmo112! :smile:
Resmo112 said:
Closest I can figure this should be the T=2(sin/cos33) depending on whether you're trying to find the vertical or horizontal component of this problem. I believe I'm trying to find the x value so I have

2=T(cos33)(2) so I solve that algebraically and I get this

2/2cos(33) = t I put that in and it comes out to 1.2 to two sig figs. but apparently that's wrong, the only other thing I can figure is the 2's cancel and I'm left with 1/cos33 = T which is also 1.2. So where am I going wrong are there more forces? should I be using sin rather than cos? or am I not even solving the right problem?

Why are you dividing by cos? :confused:

Draw a free body diagram for the forces on the teeth …

it should show only two external forces, from the tension …

the resultant force on the teeth is what you have to find. :wink:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Resmo112! :smile:


Why are you dividing by cos? :confused:

Draw a free body diagram for the forces on the teeth …

it should show only two external forces, from the tension …

the resultant force on the teeth is what you have to find. :wink:

I thought you were supposed to, when they gave you the Newtons for tension the equation is something like T=cos*2 I solved this problem like that

A crow sits on a clothesline midway between two poles as shown. Each end of the rope makes an angle of θ = 23° below the horizontal where it connects to the pole. If the combined weight of the crow and the rope is 10.2 N, what is the tension in the rope?

and here's the solution

2 (T sin 23) = 10.2 N
T = 10.2 N / 2 sin 23
T = 13.05 N
 
Hi Resmo112! :smile:
Resmo112 said:
A crow sits on a clothesline midway between two poles as shown. Each end of the rope makes an angle of θ = 23° below the horizontal where it connects to the pole. If the combined weight of the crow and the rope is 10.2 N, what is the tension in the rope?

Yes, if they give you the weight and ask for the tension, you divide by cos (or sin),

but here they give you the tension and ask for the weight. :wink:

(if you draw the free body diagram, it should be much clearer :smile:)
 

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