Find Initial Velocity of Cannonball Fired from Cannon

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the initial velocity of a cannonball fired vertically from a cannon, which reaches a maximum height of 600 meters. The context includes gravitational acceleration set at 10 m/s² and references to potential and kinetic energy equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between mass and initial velocity, with some questioning whether mass is necessary for solving the problem. There are attempts to apply potential and kinetic energy equations, leading to confusion about their correct usage and the implications of mass.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between kinetic and potential energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the equality of these energies at the maximum height, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to solve for the initial velocity.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equations presented may not be appropriate for the problem, and there is uncertainty regarding the role of mass in the calculations. The original poster expresses difficulty in combining the equations effectively.

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Homework Statement


A cannon shoots straight up into the air a cannonball which reaches a maximum height of 600m. What was the initial velocity of the cannonball when it was fired from the cannon. (Note: this problem contains all the information necessary to be solved.)

use g=10m/s^2

Homework Equations


P.E= mgh
K.E= (1/2)(k)(x^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



P.E=m(10m/s^2)(600m)

I have no clue as to how you would solve for the initial velocity without the mass of the cannon ball. Obviously, the initial velocity depends on the mass of the ball because a cannonball with more mass will need to be traveling at a higher velocity to reach 600m. Do I need to calculate the mass some how? Can someone point me in the right direction?
 
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themadhatter1 said:
Obviously, the initial velocity depends on the mass of the ball because a cannonball with more mass will need to be traveling at a higher velocity to reach 600m.

Are you sure about that?
 
Also your equation for kinetic energy is for the potential energy of a spring with spring constant k displaced x from equilibrium, I don't think that's the equation you wanted :smile:.
 
Phyisab**** said:
Also your equation for kinetic energy is for the potential energy of a spring with spring constant k displaced x from equilibrium, I don't think that's the equation you wanted :smile:.

Yeah, your right.

I meant to put K.E.= (1/2)(m)(v^2)

I still don't understand what I'm suppose to do. Both equations require mass to solve for the potential or kinetic energy. Does mass matter in this problem because I don't think I can solve for the mass of the cannonball?
 
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Nope mass does not matter, remember the story of galileo dropping ball from the tower of pisa? The equation you just wrote is for the kinetic energy not potential energy. See what happens when you put them together.
 
I'm sorry but I don't know how you would combine these equations. I have tried to combine them but I come up with an answer that you wouldn't be able to solve for the v^2 and dosent seam logical.

K.E=(1/2)(m)(v^2)
P.E.= mgh

P.E/(G)(H)=m

K.E=(1/2)[P.E/(G)(H)](v^2)
K.E=(1/2)[P.E/(10)(600)](v^2)
K.E=(1/2)[P.E/6000](v^2)
K.E/(1/2)[P.E/6000]=v^2

Somehow I don't think the square root of the left side is the answer. What am I doing wrong?
 
What is the relationship between the kinetic energy immediately after launch and the potential energy at 600m?
 
they're equal
 
Exactly just write that and you're almost done.
 

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