Find intersection of parametric curve and line

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The discussion revolves around finding the intersection points of a parametric curve defined by the equations x(t)=(2t^3)/(t^2-1) and y(t)=(2t^3)/((t^2+1)^2) with the vertical line x=20. Participants are exploring the implications of this intersection in the context of the given equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to set the line equation and the parametric equations equal to each other, with some confusion regarding the parameters used. There are discussions about the validity of assuming the same parameter for both the line and the curve, and concerns about the resulting imaginary numbers when solving for t.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of the cubic equation derived from the intersection problem. Some participants express confidence that real intersections exist, while others are grappling with the calculations leading to unexpected results.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted urgency for solutions, as one participant requires answers by a specific deadline. Additionally, the discussion highlights the expectation that the y-values of the intersections should fall between 0 and 1, which adds a layer of complexity to the problem.

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Homework Statement



I'm trying to find when that parametric curve intersects with the line x=20

Homework Equations



x(t)=(2t^3)/(t^2-1) ; y(t)=(2t^3)/((t^2+1)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried representing the line as y=t ; x=20

35=2t^3/(t^2-1) ; t=2t^3/((t^2+1)^2)

I also ended up with this equation:
20(t^2-1)=t(t^2+1)^2
but solving for it did not end up with the answers I expect to have. The y-values should be between 0 and 1.

Solving for t in terms of x, then plugging into the y(t) equation resulted in imaginary numbers. So how do you find the 2 intersections?
note: I need the answers by tonight. Thank you!
 
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physixer said:

Homework Statement



I'm trying to find when that parametric curve intersects with the line x=20

Homework Equations



x(t)=(2t^3)/(t^2-1) ; y(t)=(2t^3)/((t^2+1)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried representing the line as y=t ; x=20
Better to use (20, y) or y= s, x= 20. There is no reason to assume the parameter for the line is the same as the parameter for the curve.

35=2t^3/(t^2-1) ;
I assume you mean [itex]20= 2t^3/(t^2- 1)[/itex]. If not, I have no idea where you got "35" from!

t=2t^3/((t^2+1)^2)
No. Again the two parameters are not the same. Better, solve the first equation for t, then use that value of t in [itex]y= 2t^3/(t+1)^2[/itex]

I also ended up with this equation:
20(t^2-1)=t(t^2+1)^2
but solving for it did not end up with the answers I expect to have. The y-values should be between 0 and 1.

Solving for t in terms of x, then plugging into the y(t) equation resulted in imaginary numbers. So how do you find the 2 intersections?
note: I need the answers by tonight. Thank you!
 
My bad, it is indeed 20 = ...

But, I tried solving for the first equation and it resulted in imaginary answers. Plugging THOSE into y=2t^3/(t+1)^2 just resulted in imaginary answers, as well. Looking at the parametric graph and the line together, though, I know there are two intersections with y-values between 0 and 1. I just can't figure out the exact answers.
 
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That's impossible. That's a cubic equation with real coefficients- since complex roots of polynomial equations with real coefficents come in conjugate pairs, any such cubic equation has at least one real root.

[itex]20= 20t^3/(t^2-1)[/itex] is the same as [itex]20t^2- 20= 2t^3[/itex] or [itex]2t^3- 20t^2+ 20= 0[/itex]. I notice that if t= 1, [itex]2t^3- 20t^2+ 20= 2- 20+20= 2> 0[/itex] while if t= 2, [itex]2t^3- 20t^2+ 20= 16- 80+ 20= -44< 0[/itex] so there is a real root between 1 and 2.
 
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