Find Length of Closed Pipe for Equal Frequency

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The problem involves determining the length of a closed pipe needed to match the frequency of an open pipe, given that both pipes produce beats at a rate of five beats per second. The open pipe is specified to be 30 cm long, and the speed of sound is provided as 330 m/s.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the frequencies of the open and closed pipes, using the speed of sound and the lengths of the pipes to derive equations for frequency. There are attempts to clarify the calculations and identify potential errors in reasoning, particularly regarding which pipe's length is being calculated.

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There is ongoing clarification regarding the calculations for the closed pipe's length and the correct application of frequency formulas. Some participants suggest checking calculations and point out possible rounding errors, while others express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the problem.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between the open and closed pipes in their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of potential lapses in terminology and the need for careful verification of the derived lengths and frequencies.

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Homework Statement


Open and closed pipe, give 5 beats per second.
Open pipe is 30 cm long and gives a tone of frequency f0.
Speed of sound is 330 m/s.
How long do we need to extend closed pipe so both pipes give equal frequencies?

Homework Equations


Open pipe, fn=n*f1, f1=v/(2L)
Closed pipe; fn= f*f1, f1 = v/(4L)
fbeat = f2 - f1

The Attempt at a Solution


For open pipe, I assume that f0 is f1, or basic frequency.
f=v/2L=330 ms-1 / 0,6 m = 550 Hz

fbeat = f2 - f1
5 = f2 - 550 Hz
f2 = 555 Hz.

Now we need to find the length of open pipe.
4L = v/f2
l= v/4f2= 0,15 m

Since i have the length of closed pipe, motive is to adjust it so we have frequency of 550 Hz.
4L = v/f2,
4*L = 330 ms-1/ 550 Hz
4*L = 0,6 m
L = 0,15

What did I do wrong?
 
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Now we need to find the length of open pipe.
I think you mean closed pipe? Better check that calculation, too, using 555Hz. ☹
 
diracdelta said:

The Attempt at a Solution


For open pipe, I assume that f0 is f1, or basic frequency.
f=v/2L=330 ms-1 / 0,6 m = 550 Hz

fbeat = f2 - f1
5 = f2 - 550 Hz
f2 = 555 Hz.

Now we need to find the length of open pipe.

You ment closed pipe, didn't you?

diracdelta said:
4L = v/f2
l= v/4f2=0,15 m
l= v/(4f2)=330/(4*555)=0.1486 m
You rounded off too early, too much.
diracdelta said:
Since i have the length of closed pipe, motive is to adjust it so we have frequency of 550 Hz.
4L = v/f2,
4*L = 330 ms-1/ 550 Hz
4*L = 0,6 m
L = 0,15

What did I do wrong?

You rounded off too much.
 
NascentOxygen said:
I think you mean closed pipe? Better check that calculation, too, using 555Hz. ☹
Yes. lapsus linguae :D

ehild said:
You ment closed pipe, didn't you?l= v/(4f2)=330/(4*555)=0.1486 m
You rounded off too early, too much.

You rounded off too much.

:(
I did it again, i got same result like yours.

Thanks for help guys.
You are the best :)
 

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