Find Limit of Function: (x^3-1)/(x-1)^1/2 - 0.7

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The discussion revolves around finding the limit of the function (x^3-1)/(x-1)^(1/2) as x approaches 1, specifically determining how close x must be to 1 to ensure the function's value is within 0.7 of its limit. The conversation includes elements of mathematical reasoning and exploration of limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to find the limit and whether to subtract 0.7 from it.
  • Another participant clarifies that a "delta" must be found such that when x is within delta of 1, the function value is within epsilon=0.7 of the limit.
  • A participant proposes rewriting the function to eliminate the denominator and expresses the function in terms of delta, suggesting a substitution of x=1+delta.
  • There is a question about the exact meaning of delta, which is explained as the distance between x and 1.
  • One participant suggests finding the limit and then solving back for x, indicating an alternative approach.
  • A later reply provides a detailed explanation of how to establish an inequality involving delta and the function, concluding that if delta is chosen appropriately, the desired condition can be satisfied.

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Participants express different approaches to the problem, with some focusing on the concept of delta and others suggesting alternative methods. There is no consensus on a single method or solution, and the discussion remains exploratory.

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Participants rely on various assumptions about the behavior of the function near x=1, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps regarding the choice of delta and its implications.

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How close to 1 does x have to be to ensure that the function (x^3-1)/(x-1)^1/2 is within a distance 0.7 of its limit?

do i find the limit as x goes to 1 then subrtace .7 or what?
 
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No, you are required to find a "delta" so that whenever x is closer to 1 than a distance "delta", the function value is less than "epsilon=0.7" apart from the limit value of the function at x=1.
 
To help you along a bit:
First, get rid of the denominator in the function as follows:
[tex]f(x)=\frac{x^{3}-1}{\sqrt{x-1}}=\frac{(x^{2}+x+1)(x-1)}{\sqrt{x-1}}=(x^{2}+x+1)\sqrt{x-1}, x>1[/tex]

Secondly, rewrite [itex]x=1+\delta, \delta>0[/itex], which is a permissible operation for any valid choice of x (there will always exist some [itex]\delta[/itex] for which that is true.

Thirdly, rewrite the expression of f(x) in terms of [itex]\delta[/itex]:
[tex]f(x)=f(1+\delta)=((1+\delta)^{2}+(1+\delta)+1)\sqrt{(1+\delta)-1}=(\delta^{2}+3\delta+3)\sqrt{\delta}[/tex]

Are you following thus far?
 
i understand what you were doing before...but what is delta exactly?
 
Since [itex]x= 1+\delta[/itex], [itex]\delta= x- 1[/itex], the distance between x and 1- the number you are looking for.
 
Can't we just find the limit, +- 0.7, then solve back for x?
 
Rasine:
I'll do this one for you, so that you can see how we do these problems.
Now, one of the reasons why I substituted [itex]1+\delta[/itex] at the variable's place, is that we have the trivial relations:

Take any x so that [itex]1\leq{x}<{1}+\delta[/itex], and define [itex]\delta_{x}=x-1[/itex]:
[tex]\delta_{x}<\delta, \delta_{x}^{2}<\delta^{2},\sqrt{\delta_{x}}<\sqrt{\delta}[/tex]
Therefore, [itex]0\leq{f(x)}<f(1+\delta)[/itex]
Furthermore, with 0 being the limit of f at x=1, we have that:
[tex]|f(x)-0|<|f(1+\delta)-0|=(\delta^{2}+3\delta+3)\sqrt{\delta}[/tex]
Thus, if we can assign a value of delta so that [itex](\delta^{2}+3\delta+3)\sqrt{\delta}<0.7[/itex], then that inequality holds for any choice of x lying between 1 and [itex]1+\delta[/itex], and our proof is finished.

Now, how do we find such a workable delta value.
There many ways of doing this, here's perhaps the simplest one:
If we ASSUME that [itex]\delta\leq{1}[/itex], then we have:
[tex]\delta^{2}+3\delta+3<1^{2}+3*1+3=7[/tex]
Hence, we have:
[tex](\delta^{2}+3\delta+3)\sqrt{\delta}<7\sqrt{\delta}, \delta<1[/tex]
Now, can we make [itex]7\sqrt{\delta}\leq{0.7}[/itex]?
Indeed we can, if we set [itex]\delta\leq{0.01}[/itex]

But, therefore, since 0.01<1, it follows that by choosing [itex]\delta=0.01[/itex], we have the inequality sequence, for every x [itex]1<{x}<{1+\delta},\delta=0.01[/itex]:
[tex]|f(x)-0|<(\delta^{2}+3\delta+3)\sqrt{\delta}<7\sqrt{\delta}<7*0.1=0.7[/tex]
which is our desired result.
 
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