Find Magnetic Field of Infinitely Long Line Current

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The discussion revolves around finding the magnetic field generated by an infinitely long line current. Participants are exploring the implications of three-dimensional geometry on the calculation of the magnetic field, particularly focusing on the concept of the perpendicular distance from the line current.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the confusion surrounding the definition of r(perpendicular) in a three-dimensional context and how to visualize it relative to the line current. There are attempts to clarify the calculation of distance and the application of the right-hand rule for determining the direction of the magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding the concept of r(perpendicular) and are seeking further clarification on the application of the right-hand rule. There is an ongoing exploration of how to accurately determine the direction of the magnetic field at a specific point in space.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the three-dimensional nature of the problem and the implications for calculating distances and directions in the context of magnetic fields. There is a mention of specific coordinates (1,1,1) that may influence the discussion.

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Homework Statement



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Homework Equations



B = u0 I / 2 pi r (perpendicular)


The Attempt at a Solution



This seems like a simple plug in values equation, but the 3-dimensions is confusing me, and I can't figure out what the value of r(perpendicular) should be, and what the direction should be..

I can't seem to draw the r(perpendicular) to the line current..since it's 3d, if i try to make it perpendicular i end up with a point above the x-axis and i don't think the line current is in the z plane..

Need help please, thanks.
 
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Try to draw it on a piece of paper...you will see that because the infinite line is along the x-axis, the distance from the line aka the distance from the x-axis doesn't depend on x at all. Only y and z. Then you can see that if you move up 1 in the y direction and 1 in the z direction you have a right triangle with sides 1 and 1 whose hypotenuse is r = sqrt(2). Using this value you can calculate the magnitude and the direction is given by the right hand rule
 
oh...i always thought r(perpendicular) meant draw a line connecting the current to the point of interest and angle was always 90 degrees, i didn't know i could do that for r
edit: i don't understand how r= sqrt(2) can be perpendicular to the line current.. r seems like a diagonal line ..

for the right hand rule, i could never do it right...i don't know how to position my hand according to the current..which direction do i curl my fingers?
is the direction in the positive z direction?
 
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ok, i understand the r perpendicular value now, but can someone explain in detail what they do to find the direction using right hand rule?

is the direction counterclockwise in y-z plane and in x-y plane the direction is in both +z and -y direction?
 
musiliu said:
ok, i understand the r perpendicular value now, but can someone explain in detail what they do to find the direction using right hand rule?

is the direction counterclockwise in y-z plane and in x-y plane the direction is in both +z and -y direction?

You know the magnetic fields go either clockwise or counterclockwise around the wire. To find the direction, imagine the thumb of your right hand points in the direction of the current, then your fingers will curl in only one direction and that is the direction of the magnetic field.

And btw, http://tinyurl.com/2u9glqh" ;)
 
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ok, but what would you say is the direction for this problem? I'm supposed to find the direction at that point (1,1,1).. so i don't think I'm just supposed to put the entire direction of the magnetic field.. is the direction at that point in the +z and -y direction?
 

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