Find mass of Jupiter using Jupiter's moon, Io

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of Jupiter using data from its moon Io, specifically its mass, orbital period, and mean distance from Jupiter. The subject area includes gravitational physics and orbital mechanics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the appropriate units for time and distance in the calculations, questioning whether to use seconds or days for the period and kilometers or meters for the distance. There is also a focus on ensuring unit consistency in the equations used.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered guidance on checking unit consistency and have pointed out potential errors in calculations. There is ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with some participants expressing confusion about their results while others suggest re-evaluating the calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the values provided for Io are correct, but there is uncertainty regarding the conversion of units and the proper application of the gravitational constant. The discussion highlights the importance of unit compatibility in physics equations.

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Homework Statement


Io - mass: 8.9x1022kg
period: 1.77 days
mean distance from Jupiter: 422x103km

Find the mass of Jupiter using the data for Io.

Homework Equations


ƩF=ma
Fc=mv2/r
GmM/ro2
v=2∏r/T

The Attempt at a Solution


I am just unsure what should I put the time in?? Seconds, hours, days, months, years?? I'm getting a different answer and as I google the mass of Jupiter, it is about 1.90x1027kg.

I should be getting the same or really close to it. This is how I tackled the question.

Let m=mass of Io, M=mass of Jupiter

ƩF=ma
GmM/ro2=mv2/ro
M=v2ro/G
M=4∏2ro3/GT2
M=4∏2(422x103)3/(6.67x10-11)(1.7x24x3600)2
M=1.90x1018

I'm getting the same answer BUT different exponents. I know I'm missing something out. :frown:
 
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Your problem is not the time units, but the distance.

Try checking for unit consistency in your equation:
M=4\pi^{2}r_{0}^{3}/(GT^{2})

what should the units of r_{0} be in if you want everything to cancel on the right side except for mass?
 
r0 is given in km. What unit should you be using in your (correct) formula?
 
staysys said:
Your problem is not the time units, but the distance.

Try checking for unit consistency in your equation:
M=4\pi^{2}r_{0}^{3}/(GT^{2})

what should the units of r_{0} be in if you want everything to cancel on the right side except for mass?

If ro is given in km, shouldn't I also use it in km?

I double checked the given for Io and my givens are correct.
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Fun=ma
GmM/ro2=mv2/ro
GM/ro2=v2/ro
M=4∏2ro3/GT2

Would T=1.77days be in seconds then if I made the ro to m?
 
rude man said:
r0 is given in km. What unit should you be using in your (correct) formula?

I realized I made T in terms of seconds, so I think I should make ro in terms of metres.
 
M=4∏2ro3/GT2
M=4∏2(4.22x108)3/(6.67x10-11)(1.77x24x60x60)2
M=2.91x1032

Aaaaah! Still not getting it right? Ah, I must be doing something wrong... :confused:
 
totallyclone said:
M=4∏2ro3/GT2
M=4∏2(4.22x108)3/(6.67x10-11)(1.77x24x60x60)2
M=2.91x1032

Aaaaah! Still not getting it right? Ah, I must be doing something wrong... :confused:

But it looks right to me.
I just typed in the exact same equation you wrote, with your numbers and I got 1.90x10^27kg as it should be.
Can you double check that you didn't make a mistake in calculating the answer?
 
staysys said:
But it looks right to me.
I just typed in the exact same equation you wrote, with your numbers and I got 1.90x10^27kg as it should be.
Can you double check that you didn't make a mistake in calculating the answer?

Me too.
 
totallyclone said:
M=4∏2ro3/GT2
M=4∏2(4.22x108)3/(6.67x10-11)(1.77x24x60x60)2
M=2.91x1032

I think you forgot to square the time period. You get 2.91x1032 when you put M=4∏2ro3/GT
 
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1. By not checking the units of G, you made several mistakes in your initial calculation.
G = 6.67*10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2 This constant can be easily googled and it shows the proper units. Just because a known datum is given in a certain set of units does not ensure that it can be used without checking to see if those units are compatible with the other elements of an equation.
2. The orbital radius of Io is 422*10^3 km. How many meters is this?

If you correct these errors and redo your calculation, you should get the correct mass of Jupiter.
 

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