Find Mass of Unknown Particle in Elastic Collision

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an elastic collision between a proton and an unknown particle at rest, where the two particles move at a right angle after the collision. The goal is to determine the mass of the unknown particle using conservation laws.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum in both x and y-directions but struggles with two unknowns. Some participants suggest the necessity of using conservation of energy in addition to momentum.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, including the use of energy conservation and momentum vectors. There is no explicit consensus on a single method, but several productive suggestions have been made.

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The problem is framed as an objective type question, which may impose constraints on the methods used for solving it. The discussion includes considerations of simplifying the algebra involved.

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[SOLVED] Elastic collision

Homework Statement


A proton of mass 'm' collides with a particle of unknown mass at rest. After the collision, the proton and the unknown particle are seen moving at an angle of 90 degrees with respect to each other. What is the mass of the unknown particle.

Known quantities:
mass of proton = m
velocity of proton = v
mass of unknown particle = M
Angle between M and m after collision is 90 degrees. [itex]\alpha + \beta = {\pi \over 2}[/itex]

Homework Equations



Conservation of Momentum. Momentum must be conserved in x and y-direction:
X-direction:
[tex]mv = mv'\cos \alpha + Mv'\cos \beta[/tex]

Y-direction:
[tex]0 = mv'\sin \alpha + Mv'\sin \beta[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the angle between the particles is known i.e. 90 degrees,
[itex]\beta = {\pi \over 2} - \alpha[/itex] & [itex]\cos ({\pi \over 2} - \alpha) = \sin \alpha[/itex].

The momentum conservation equations modify as:
X-direction:
[tex]mv = mv'\cos \alpha + Mv'\sin \alpha[/tex]

Y-direction:
[tex]0 = mv'\sin \alpha + Mv'\cos \alpha[/tex]

I am not able to proceed beyond this, I have two unknown quantities on the Right-Side viz. [itex]\alpha[/itex] and the final velocity v'. I have to obtain the unknown mass in terms of m. Am I missing out something here?
 

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Hi Reshma! :smile:

(btw, don't you need a separate v' and V' ?)

You can't solve any collision problems without using conservation of energy! :smile:
 
Thanks for the hint tiny-tim! I will work on it. :smile:
 
Okay, I figured it out!

Let m and M move at speeds v' and V' respectively.

By conservation of energy:
[tex]{1\over 2}mv^2 = {1\over 2}mv'^2 + {1\over 2}MV'^2[/tex]

On simplification, we get:
[tex]v^2 = v'^2 + {m\over M}V'^2[/tex]

Conservation of momentum along the X-axis gives:
[tex]mv = mv'\cos \alpha + MV'\sin \alpha[/tex]

Multiplying by v on both sides and comparing with the energy conservation equation:
[tex]mv^2 = mv'v\cos \alpha + MV'v\sin \alpha[/tex]

We get [itex]v' = v\cos \alpha[/itex] & [itex]V' = v\sin \alpha[/itex], so
[tex]v^2 = v'^2 + V'^2[/tex]

On comparing the coefficients, we get:
[tex]m = M[/tex]
 
This was an objective type question, however is there a method to solve such a problem with lesser algebra?
 
Reshma said:
This was an objective type question, however is there a method to solve such a problem with lesser algebra?

Hi Reshma! :smile:

Actually, there is.

Since we know in this case that the final momentums are perpendicular, it seems a good idea to try solving it using the momentum vectors.

If we call those vectors P Q and R, we know that P = Q + R, and in this case that Q.R = 0.

Try writing the energy equation in terms of the momentum vectors, and then comparing it with the square of P = Q + R. :smile:
 
Thanks for your help tiny-tim! :smile:
 

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