Find Moment of Inertia of 4 Rods Constructing a Square: Explained

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The problem involves calculating the total moment of inertia of four rods arranged to form a square, specifically when the square is suspended from one of its corners. The lengths and masses of the rods are given as L and M, respectively, and the parallel axis theorem is mentioned as a relevant concept.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss finding the moment of inertia for each rod about its center before applying the parallel axis theorem to determine the moment of inertia at the corner of the square. Questions arise regarding the distances to be used for the calculations and the application of the theorem.

Discussion Status

Several participants are exploring different methods to calculate the moment of inertia, with some suggesting that calculating the moment of inertia for each rod at its center first is a valid approach. There is ongoing clarification regarding the distances involved and how to apply the parallel axis theorem correctly, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion over the distances to be used in calculations, particularly for the bottom rods, and there is mention of the need to account for the total mass of the square when applying the parallel axis theorem.

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Homework Statement


When we put together 4 rod in case they will construct a square and when we hang it from the corner. How can we find its total moment of inertia?

Length of rods: L
Mass of rods: M



Homework Equations


Paralel Axis Theorem: I = I + Md^2


The Attempt at a Solution


As my book said answer is 10ML^2/3. Can you please explain it how can i calculate it? Thanks a lot.
 
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Find the moment of inertia of one rod about its centre. Find the distance to the centre of the square, then use the parallel axis theorem.
 
Does it make sense firstly finding all of four rods moment of inertia at its centre then taking it and finding the new moment of inertia secondly at the corner of square?
Actually i cannot understand precisely, can you please be more clear?
 
makyol said:
Does it make sense firstly finding all of four rods moment of inertia at its centre then taking it and finding the new moment of inertia secondly at the corner of square?
Actually i cannot understand precisely, can you please be more clear?

Sorry, I didn't see the hanging from the corner part.

I=(1/12)ML2.

You need to find the distances of the centres of each rod to the corner and then use the parallel axis theorem. Then just simply add them up.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Sorry, I didn't see the hanging from the corner part.

I=(1/12)ML2.

You need to find the distances of the centres of each rod to the corner and then use the parallel axis theorem. Then just simply add them up.

But again i cannot get the result that is given by book. So do i have to take perpendicular distance to the corner for the each rod? I mean for example; for top two rods it is easy:
I = (1/12)ML^2 + M(L/2)^2 but when it comes to bottom rods, it is being complicated, unfortunately. Again what distance i will use?
L or squareroot of M(5/4)L^2 ?
Still i could not get the right answer despite the deal with two cases.
If you have any suggestion, i will appreciate it. Thanks.
 
makyol said:
Again what distance i will use?
L or squareroot of M(5/4)L^2 ?
Md^2 = M(5/4)L^2
 
makyol said:
Does it make sense firstly finding all of four rods moment of inertia at its centre then taking it and finding the new moment of inertia secondly at the corner of square?
This approach would work. The moment of inertia about the center of the square would work out to be 4/3 ML^2. Then you can apply the parallel-axis theorem to the square as a whole. You just have to be a little careful with this step because the mass of the square is 4M, not just M.
 

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