Find Photons per second on the eye from a source a distance away

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of photons per second that reach the retina from a distant incandescent light bulb. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the emitted photons, the distance from the source, and the area of the pupil.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different equations and methods to calculate the number of photons reaching the eye, questioning the surface area considerations and the application of spherical geometry.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of various calculations and interpretations of the problem. Some participants have provided alternative approaches, while others have pointed out potential errors in assumptions or calculations. No consensus has been reached on the correct method or answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of using the diameter versus the radius for the pupil's area and the correct surface area of a sphere in relation to the distance from the light source. There is also mention of discrepancies in the calculated results.

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Homework Statement



A typical incandescent light bulb emits ~3x10^18 visible-light photons per second. Your eye, when it is fully dark adapted, can barely see the light from an incandescent light bulb 10 km away.

How many photons per second are incident at the image point on your retina? The diameter of a dark-adapted pupil is ~7 mm.

Homework Equations


N = n*(d/D)


The Attempt at a Solution



I found the above equation on the internet but it didn't work. I tried:

N = Number of photons*(Diameter/Distance)
=3x10^18 s^-1 * (7x10^-3 m / 1x10^4 m)
N= 2.1x10^12 photons/s

This is incorrect. Please help! Thanks!
 
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The light travels out in all directions so you need to look at the AREA through which the photons pass.
The surface through which the photons pass is the surface of a sphere.
Hope this gets you started
 
Not sure of this either, but here is my thinking:

Number of Photons/s = (Source Photons/s)/(Surface Area of sphere formed by the distance) * (Surface Area of eye)

Photons/s = (3x10^18 photons/s)/(4*PI*1.0x10^8 m^2) * (4*PI*7x10^-6 m^2)

Photons/s = 2.1x10^5
 
The surface area of the eye is wrong (the pupil is like a circle and not a sphere, and 7mm is the diameter, not the radius), but the concept is right.
 
So then:

((3x10^18)/(4*PI*1.0x10^8)) * (PI*3.5x10^-6)

= 26250 Photons/s

Correct?
 
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That wasn't correct. The correct answer was:

9.2×10^4 s^-1
 
Anyone know why?
 
I don't know. The factor between those two answers is ~3.5. Not pi, not 4, or anything present in the problem statement. Very odd.
 

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