Find positive integers a,b,n that satisfy this expression

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The discussion revolves around finding positive integers \(a\), \(b\), and \(n\) that satisfy the equation \(96n + 88 = a^2 + b^2\). The problem is situated within the context of number theory, particularly exploring properties of perfect squares and modular arithmetic.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between the equation and the properties of perfect squares modulo 4. They discuss the implications of the equation's left-hand side being divisible by 4 and how that affects the parity of \(a\) and \(b\).

Discussion Status

The discussion has progressed through various lines of reasoning regarding modular arithmetic and the properties of even and odd integers. Participants have offered guidance on substituting variables to simplify the equation and have engaged in checking assumptions about the parity of the variables involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the constraints of working with positive integers and the implications of modular conditions on the sums of squares. There is an ongoing exploration of whether certain configurations of \(a\) and \(b\) can satisfy the original equation based on their derived properties.

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Homework Statement


Are there any positive integers n, a and b such that

96n+88=a^2+b^2


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The Attempt at a Solution


It resembles the Pythagorean theorem but I'm not sure how that would help me solve it. I factored the LHS

2^3((2^2)(3)n+11)=a^2+b^2

How do I proceed? Thanks.
 
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What can you say about perfect squares modulo 4?
 
haruspex said:
What can you say about perfect squares modulo 4?

I'm very bad with the whole modulus concept but I can see that a perfect square divided by 4 will always have a remainder of either 0 or 1.
 
sunnybrooke said:
a perfect square divided by 4 will always have a remainder of either 0 or 1.
Right, so what can the sum of two squares be mod 4?
 
0,1 or 2, right?
 
sunnybrooke said:
0,1 or 2, right?
Right. Now which of those could match the LHS (mod 4)?
 
haruspex said:
Right. Now which of those could match the LHS (mod 4)?

96 is divisible by 4 (remainder = 0). 88 is also divisible by 4 (remainder = 0). So sum of remainders (0 + 0) = 0.
 
sunnybrooke said:
96 is divisible by 4 (remainder = 0). 88 is also divisible by 4 (remainder = 0). So sum of remainders (0 + 0) = 0.
To get the remainder of zero, means that both a and b are even. Correct ?
 
SammyS said:
To get the remainder of zero, means that both a and b are even. Correct ?

Yes, they'd both have to be even. Should I substitute, a = 2u, b = 2v ?
 
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sunnybrooke said:
Yes, they'd both have to be even. Should I substitute, a = 2u, b = 2v ?
Yes, which allows some cancellation. See if you can then repeat the logic.
 
  • #11
haruspex said:
Yes, which allows some cancellation. See if you can then repeat the logic.

96n + 88 = 4u^2 + 4v^2
24n + 22 = u^2 + v^2
(LHS= 2 mod 4 --> both u and v are odd)

24n + 22 = (2w+1)^2 + (2x+1)^2
6n + 5 = w^2 + w + x^2 + x
(LHS = 3 mod 4 --> ??)

If k^2 = 0 mod 4 then either k = 0 mod 4 or k = 2 mod 4
If k^2 = 1 mod 4 then either k = 1 mod 4 or k = 3 mod 4

Is this correct? And please correct me if my notation is wrong. Thanks.
 
  • #12
sunnybrooke said:
6n + 5 = w^2 + w + x^2 + x
w2+w = w(w+1). What does that tell you about w2+w mod 2?
 
  • #13
haruspex said:
w2+w = w(w+1). What does that tell you about w2+w mod 2?

w(w+1)=odd*even=even --> w mod 2 = 0. same goes for x^2 + x. So the RHS is even but the LHS is odd. therefore it's not possible. Is that it?
 
  • #14
sunnybrooke said:
w(w+1)=odd*even=even --> w mod 2 = 0. same goes for x^2 + x. So the RHS is even but the LHS is odd. therefore it's not possible. Is that it?
That's it.
 
  • #15
Thank you so much haruspex and SammyS for breaking it down and guiding me through the problem. It helped me a lot :)
 

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