Find principal value in a+ib form.

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The discussion revolves around finding the principal value of the expression (1-i) raised to the power of 2i. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved, including logarithmic and exponential forms, while seeking clarification on specific components of the calculation.

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  • One participant begins by expressing (1-i) as z and applying the formula z^a = e^(a*lnz), leading to e^2i*ln(1-i).
  • Another participant confirms the initial steps and expresses the logarithm in terms of its components, specifically noting the use of ln(sqrt(2)) and an argument of -pi/4.
  • There is a question about how to express the exponent in the form a + bi, with participants discussing the separation of real and imaginary parts in the exponential function.
  • A later post provides a detailed breakdown of the expression (1-i)^{2i}, leading to an expression involving e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} and trigonometric functions of log(2).
  • One participant requests clarification on the origin of the term 2^{1/2}, expressing frustration over the lack of depth in their textbook.
  • Another participant later confirms their understanding of the magnitude of 1 - i as 2^{1/2} after initial confusion.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical steps taken to reach the expression for (1-i)^{2i}, but there are points of confusion regarding specific terms and their derivations. The discussion remains somewhat unresolved as participants seek clarification on certain aspects without reaching a consensus on all details.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the derivation of specific components, such as the magnitude of 1 - i and the logarithmic expressions used. There are also unresolved questions regarding the interpretation of the exponential form.

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I need to find principal value of (1-i)^2i.

Let z = 1 - i

z^a = e^(a*lnz)
=e^2i*ln(1-i)

r = z = sqrt(1^2 + (-1)^2 = sqrt(2)

tan theta = y/x = -1/1 = -1 => theta = argz = -45 degrees = -pi/4 rads.ln z= loge(z) = i(theta + 2*pi*n)
= loge(sqrt(2)) + i(-pi/4 + 2*pi)
= loge(sqrt(2)) - i*pi/4

Could someone please help me out here finishing this one off - into a + ib form? Struggling a little with completion.

Much appreciated if you could.Regards.
 
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GaryBenton said:
I need to find principal value of (1-i)^2i.
Let z = 1 - i
z^a = e^(a*lnz)
=e^2i*ln(1-i)
You are correct to this point.
$\exp \left[ {2i\log \left( {1 - i} \right)} \right] = \exp \left[ {2i\left( {\ln (\sqrt 2 ) - i\frac{\pi }{4}} \right)} \right]$
 
And then?

I know e^z = e^(x + iy) = e^x(cosy + isiny).

Is x simply 2i*ln(sqrt(2)) and y 2i*(i*pi/4) ?Regards.
 
GaryBenton said:
I know e^z = e^(x + iy) = e^x(cosy + isiny).
Is x simply 2i*ln(sqrt(2)) and y 2i*(i*pi/4) ?
Write $ {2i\log \left( {1 - i} \right)}$ in the $a+bi$ form.

If $z=\exp(a+bi)$ then $x=e^a\cos(b)~\&~y=e^x\sin(b)$.
 
GaryBenton said:
I need to find principal value of (1-i)^2i.

Let z = 1 - i

z^a = e^(a*lnz)
=e^2i*ln(1-i)

r = z = sqrt(1^2 + (-1)^2 = sqrt(2)

tan theta = y/x = -1/1 = -1 => theta = argz = -45 degrees = -pi/4 rads.ln z= loge(z) = i(theta + 2*pi*n)
= loge(sqrt(2)) + i(-pi/4 + 2*pi)
= loge(sqrt(2)) - i*pi/4

Could someone please help me out here finishing this one off - into a + ib form? Struggling a little with completion.

Much appreciated if you could.Regards.

\[ \displaystyle \begin{align*} (1 - i)^{2i} &= \left(2^{\frac{1}{2}}e^{-\frac{\pi}{4}i}\right)^{2i} \\ &= \left(2^{\frac{1}{2}}\right)^{2i}\left(e^{-\frac{\pi}{4}i}\right)^{2i} \\ &= 2^ie^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \\ &= e^{\log{\left(2^i\right)}}e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \\ &= e^{i\log{2}}e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \\ &= e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\left[\cos{\left(\log{2}\right)} + i\sin{\left(\log{2}\right)}\right] \\ &= e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\cos{\left(\log{2}\right)} + i\,e^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\sin{\left(\log{2}\right)}
\end{align*} \]
 
Can you please explain where you got the 2^1/2 from?

My textbook goes nowhere near explaining this material in depth. Frustrating...Regards.

---------- Post added at 10:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 PM ----------

All good. Understood (finally:p).Thanks and regards.
 
GaryBenton said:
Can you please explain where you got the 2^1/2 from?

My textbook goes nowhere near explaining this material in depth. Frustrating...Regards.

---------- Post added at 10:04 PM ---------- Previous post was at 08:42 PM ----------

All good. Understood (finally:p).Thanks and regards.

It's the magnitude of 1 - i :)
 

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