Find Solutions of h'[x] >= 1 in Terms of k

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The discussion revolves around finding solutions to the inequality h'[x] >= 1 in terms of the parameter k, where h[x] is defined as a cubic polynomial. Participants explore the implications of the solutions for x and how they relate to k, including attempts to express inequalities in terms of k.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant provides a definition of h[x] and attempts to solve for k, yielding k -> -x^2 - x^3.
  • Another participant notes that the solution for x is an inequality and questions whether the solution for k should also be an inequality.
  • A different participant suggests that the output from Mathematica can be interpreted in various ways, emphasizing the complexity of obtaining the desired format for k.
  • One participant offers to demonstrate a simpler method to use Mathematica for this problem, contrasting it with more complex approaches.
  • Another participant proposes solving the equation by hand, indicating an alternative approach to the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to express the solutions in terms of k, with some suggesting that k should be treated as an inequality while others focus on specific values. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to express k in relation to the inequalities derived from h'[x].

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationships between x and k, as well as the interpretations of the outputs from Mathematica. The mathematical steps involved in transitioning from the inequality for x to the corresponding expression for k are not fully resolved.

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h[x_] = x^3 +x^2+ k;
Solve[h[x] == 0, k]
{{k -> -x^2 - x^3}}

Reduce[Abs[h'[x]] >= 1, x]
Re[x] < -(1/2) || (-(1/2) <= Re[x] <= 1/2 && (Im[x] <= -(1/2) Sqrt[1 - 4 Re[x]^2] ||
Im[x] >= 1/2 Sqrt[1 - 4 Re[x]^2])) || Re[x] > 1/2

Now i want to express these inequalities in terms of the value of k i obtained earlier, how can i do this, i have tried the mathematica online resource but i havn't been able to figure it out.

Reduce[Abs[h'[x]] >= 1, k]
gives me the following output:
Abs[-1 + 2 x] >= 1
whereas i want my solution in terms of k
 
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In[1]:= h[x_]:=x^3+x^2+k;Solve[h[x]==0,k]

Out[2]= {{k-> -x^2-x^3}}

In[3]:= Reduce[Abs[h'[x]]≥1&&x∈Reals,x]

Out[3]= x ≤ -1 || x ≥ 1/3

In[4]:= Eliminate[k== -x^2-x^3&&x== -1,x]

Out[4]= k==0

In[5]:= Eliminate[k== -x^2-x^3&&x== 1/3,x]

Out[5]= 27 k == -4
 
the solution for x is an inequality, shouldn't the solution for k then also be an inequality ?
 
I am attempting to show you how to calculate what you need as simply as possible.

I can add on layer after layer after layer of incomprehensible Mathematica-speak so that it will display k<=0 instead of k==0, which is the end point of the inequality,
OR
I can show you much simpler use of Mathematica that you hopefully have some chance of understanding and you then use a little bit of mental mathematical understanding to see how to interpret the result. As a bonus you might be able to see how to use the simpler version for other problems in the near future.

Pick one.

It is even possible that someone, or perhaps even you after dozens or hundreds or thousands of hours of learning the system, can come up with a very simple way of getting exactly what you want for this particular problem. A useful guide for Mathematica is that it takes two to ten times longer to get something that looks pretty close to the way you want it to look than it takes to get the math approximately correct and two to ten times longer than that to get it to look almost exactly the way you want it, or you just give up and use what you have. I suggest spending your time making really sure you have the math correct.

If you think of Mathematica as

a calculator with lots of extra buttons

instead of thinking of it as

a bright mathematician that can tell he is supposed to go in the back room without even being told, figure out what your problem really ought to be instead of what you think it is, figure out the solution to your problem, desktop publish it so it looks like it does in a textbook and then bring it out and show this to you

then I think Mathematica will be more understandable.
 
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You can solve the above equation by hand, do you want to know how?
 

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