Find the acceleration and the work done by a force pulling a spool?

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The discussion revolves around finding the acceleration and work done by a force acting on a spool. The subject area includes dynamics and rotational motion, focusing on the relationship between linear and angular quantities.

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  • Participants explore different expressions for acceleration, questioning the signs and definitions used in their calculations. There is an ongoing dialogue about the direction of motion and the implications of sign conventions.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing feedback on each other's reasoning and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the consistency of signs and the approach to calculating work done, but no consensus has been reached on the correctness of the methods used.

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Participants express challenges with referencing their work due to the use of images, and there are mentions of potential errors in their calculations that could affect the final results. The discussion includes considerations of how to define positive directions for acceleration and the implications for the equations being used.

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Homework Statement
A spool with thread wound on it, of mass m, rests on a rough horizontal surface. Its moment of inertia relative to its own axis is equal to ##I=\gamma mR^2##, where ##\gamma## is a numerical factor, and ##R## is the outside radius of the spool. The radius of the wound thread layer is equal to ##r##. The spool is pulled without sliding by the thread with constant force F directed at an angle ##\alpha## to the horizontal. Find:

a) the projection of the acceleration vector of the spool axis on the x-axis.
b)the work performed by the force during the first ##t## seconds after the beginning of motio.
Relevant Equations
Laws of Newton.
##\tau=lF\sin\theta##
##\tau=l\times F##
##\sum\tau=I\alpha##
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I already solved the first part, but according the my book, the answer isn't quite correct. This is what I did.
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Finally, I ended up with ##a=\frac{F(r-R\cos\alpha)}{Rm(\gamma+1)}##. But according to my book, the answer is ##a=\frac{F(\cos\alpha-\frac{r}{R})}{m(1+\gamma)}##, what am I doing wrong?
For the second part, I don't know how to find the work done by the force ##F##.
 
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Davidllerenav said:
Finally, I ended up with ##a=\frac{F(r-R\cos\alpha)}{Rm(\gamma+1)}##. But according to my book, the answer is ##a=\frac{F(\cos\alpha-\frac{r}{R})}{m(1+\gamma)}##, what am I doing wrong?
The only difference is the sign. Maybe you are defining the positive direction for the acceleration opposite to the way the book defines it.
 
haruspex said:
The only difference is the sign. Maybe you are defining the positive direction for the acceleration opposite to the way the book defines it.
Yes, I think so. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? I was wondering, in what direction does the spool move?
 
Davidllerenav said:
Yes, I think so. Does that mean that I'm not wrong? I was wondering, in what direction does the spool move?
Looking at your working (it is painful referencing lines in work posted as image; please don't do that, images are for diagrams and book extracts), you have an error after the line ##F\cos(\alpha)-F_r=ma##.
 
haruspex said:
(it is painful referencing lines in work posted as image; please don't do that, images are for diagrams and book extracts)
Sorry, I just did it so to avoid writing everything and taking indidual images for diagrams.
haruspex said:
you have an error after the line Fcos(α)−Fr=maFcos⁡(α)−Fr=maF\cos(\alpha)-F_r=ma.
Oh, it should be ##F_r=F\cos\alpha-ma##, right?
 
Davidllerenav said:
Sorry, I just did it so to avoid writing everything and taking indidual images for diagrams.

Oh, it should be ##F_r=F\cos\alpha-ma##, right?
Right, and that should give you the right sign in the answer.
 
haruspex said:
Right, and that should give you the right sign in the answer.
But wouldn't that give me ##m(\gamma-1)## on the denominator?
 
Davidllerenav said:
But wouldn't that give me ##m(\gamma-1)## on the denominator?
I think I did it, I ended up with ##a=\frac {F\cdot r-F\cos\alpha}{-Rm (\gamma+1)}## thus I have ##a=\frac {F\cos\alpha-F\cdot r}{Rm (\gamma+1)}## , am I right?

How can I find the work done.by ##F##?
 
Davidllerenav said:
I think I did it, I ended up with ##a=\frac {F\cdot r-F\cos\alpha}{-Rm (\gamma+1)}## thus I have ##a=\frac {F\cos\alpha-F\cdot r}{Rm (\gamma+1)}## , am I right?

How can I find the work done.by ##F##?
Hard to be sure whether your method is now entirely right without seeing all of your latest working. One thing to be careful of is consistency of signs in "a=αR" equations. In the present case, if you are defining a to be right-positive then that makes α clockwise-positive.

For the work you have two options. You can use force x distance or KE achieved. The former can be tricky where the point of application of the force is moving - which is the distance to use? So safer to find the velocity reached.

Edit: just noticed you have dropped an R in the top line in your final answer for a, making it dimensionally inconsistent. I assume that is a typo.
 

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