Find the Composion of this relation

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The discussion revolves around finding the composition of two relations, R and S, defined over sets A, B, and C. Participants explore the correct interpretation and calculation of the composition, addressing potential ambiguities and the validity of certain pairs in the resulting relation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the composition RoS includes pairs (2,y) and (3,y) based on the relations R and S.
  • Another participant clarifies that the composition being sought is S∘R, confirming the first two pairs but correcting the notation for (3,y).
  • A third participant argues that RoS does not exist because S maps b to both x and z, and there are no corresponding pairs in R for these elements, suggesting that RoS is the empty relation.
  • This participant also notes that while R maps 2 to c and S maps c to y, R does not provide a mapping for 1, leading to no pairs in SoR for that element.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and content of the composition RoS, with some asserting it contains specific pairs while others argue it does not exist at all. There is no consensus on the final outcome of the composition.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of the relations and the implications of using elements more than once in the composition. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the relationships between the sets and their respective mappings.

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A = {1,2,3}
B= {a,b,c}
c = {x,y,z}

R = {(1,a) (2,c) (3,a) (3,c)}
S = {(b,x) (b,z) (c,y)}

Find RoS (composition of relation)my solution was this:
(2,c) belongs to R and (c,y) belongs to S so (2,y) belongs to RoS
(3,c) belongs to R and (c,y) belongs to S so (3,y) belongs to Ros
RoS={(2,y) 3,y}

can we use (c,y) more than one time..
Is this correct answer ??
 
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i think you are finding the composition relation S\circ R since
R is relation from A to B and S is relation from B to C. So if you are seeking
S\circ R , then your your first two lines are correct but the final answer
is not since you forgot to put brackets for (3,y) .so

S\circ R=\{(2,y),(3,y)\}

and its ok to use (c,y) more than one time
 
If you are indeed looking for RoS, then note that S "takes b into" both x and z but there is no pair in R having x or z as a first member. Similarly, S "takes c into" y but there is no pair in R having y as first member. RoS does not exist (or is the empty relation).


To find SoR, R "takes 1 to" a but there is no pair in S with first member a so there is no pair in SoR with first member 1. R "takes 2 to" c and S "takes c to y" so SoR contains (2, y). R "take 3 to" both a and c. There is no pair in S with first member a but S "takes c to" y so (3, y) is in RoS.
 
Thanks both of you :)
 

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