Find the distance between Helsinki and Seattle......

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This discussion revolves around an astronomy problem involving the calculation of the distance between Helsinki and Seattle along the shortest route, as well as identifying the northernmost point of that route and its distance from the North Pole. The problem incorporates geographical coordinates and the Earth's radius in the calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of the cosine formula for calculating the angle between two points based on their latitude and longitude. There are questions about the subsequent steps needed to find the great circle distance and the northernmost point along the route.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided references to external resources on great-circle routes, while others express frustration with the explanations in their astronomy book. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between terrestrial navigation and the problem at hand, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants note that the problem is presented in an astronomy context, which may not align with the typical approach used in terrestrial navigation. There is mention of potential confusion arising from the source material being used for study.

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Homework Statement


This is an astronomy problem. I know how to find cos(AOB) but I am not sure what to do after this.
Find the distance between Helsinki and Seattle along the shortest route. Where is the northernmost point of the route, and what is its distance from the North Pole? The longitude of Helsinki is 25degrees East and latitude 60degrees; the longitude of Seattle is 122degrees West and latitude 48degrees. Assume that the radius of the Earth is 6370 km.
The answers are supposed to be: 7,640 km(approximate distance), northernmost point = 79degrees North, 45degree West, in North Greenland 1,250 km from the North Pole.

Homework Equations


cos(AOB) = cos(latA)cos(latB)cos(lonB-lonA)+sin(latA)sin(latB)

The Attempt at a Solution


cos(AOB) = cos(60)cos(48)cos(122-25)+sin(60)sin(48) = (0.5)*(0.66913060635)*(-0.1218693434)+(0.86602540378)*(0.74314482547) = 0.6028090437
I know to get the great circle distance between A and B I need
R, the radius of the Earth which is 6370 km. Is the distance between A and B: R*AOB?
The scalar product is: R2cosAOB
 
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A web search should turn up a suitable reference on great-circle routes. For example, this page.
 
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gneill said:
A web search should turn up a suitable reference on great-circle routes. For example, this page.
That still doesn't really help me. The astronomy book that I have does a poor job at explaining the steps. I'm trying to study on my own
 
science_rules said:
That still doesn't really help me. The astronomy book that I have does a poor job at explaining the steps. I'm trying to study on my own
I'm not sure what you're missing. That page shows how to calculate the great-circle distance (and even has an example similar to your problem), and shows how to find the northernmost point along the route.
 
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science_rules said:
That still doesn't really help me. The astronomy book that I have does a poor job at explaining the steps. I'm trying to study on my own
This is a problem in terrestrial navigation. I'm not sure why you are using an astronomy book for an explanation.
 
SteamKing said:
This is a problem in terrestrial navigation. I'm not sure why you are using an astronomy book for an explanation.
The same calculations arise: two coordinates specified as latitude and longitude, and wanting to know the angle between them.
 
gneill said:
I'm not sure what you're missing. That page shows how to calculate the great-circle distance (and even has an example similar to your problem), and shows how to find the northernmost point along the route.
I am reading the page on the link you gave me, I will get back to you when I have figured it out.
 
SteamKing said:
This is a problem in terrestrial navigation. I'm not sure why you are using an astronomy book for an explanation.
The astronomy book gives me this problem as the first problem in the book.
 
gneill said:
I'm not sure what you're missing. That page shows how to calculate the great-circle distance (and even has an example similar to your problem), and shows how to find the northernmost point along the route.
I am understanding the problem better than I at first did
 

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