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- I know we need to find out when sin(pi/x)>0.
But I can 't do it
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The discussion revolves around finding the domain of the function of the form ln(sin(1/x)). Participants explore the conditions under which the sine function is positive, particularly focusing on the transformation of the variable and the implications for the domain of the logarithmic function.
Participants generally agree on the intervals where sin(x) is positive, but there is ongoing discussion about how to correctly transform these intervals for the function sin(1/x). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact formulation of the domain.
There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the transformations and the dependence on integer k, which may affect the derived intervals for x. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical steps.
Readers interested in mathematical reasoning related to trigonometric functions, logarithmic functions, and domain determination may find this discussion relevant.
Because it's not just a sinx.fresh_42 said:If you know the sine function, why can't you say when ##y=\sin x## is positive?
Proceed step by step. When is ##y=\sin x > 0##? Which are the intervals of ##x## for which this is true? Let's change the variable names. When is ##Y=\sin X > 0##? If we know that, we get e.g. ##X\in (0,\pi)##.sergey_le said:Because it's not just a sinx.
It's sin(1/x)
I know that sinx> 0 when 0+2πk<x<π+2πk.fresh_42 said:Proceed step by step. When is ##y=\sin x > 0##? Which are the intervals of ##x## for which this is true? Let's change the variable names. When is ##Y=\sin X > 0##? If we know that, we get e.g. ##X\in (0,\pi)##.
With that we have now ##X=\dfrac{\pi}{x}##. That is ##0<X=\dfrac{\pi}{x} < \pi##. Can you restructure that in a way, that ##a<x<b## is the result?
Let us write the sine function as ##\varphi = \sin \alpha##. Then you just said that ##\varphi >0## when ##2k\pi < \alpha < (2k+1)\pi## for ##k\in \mathbb{Z}##. Now how can we compare ##\sin \alpha## and ##\sin (\pi/x)##? We can do this by setting ##\alpha:=\pi/x.## Thus we get from the above inequality thatsergey_le said:I know that sinx> 0 when 0+2πk<x<π+2πk.
I do not understand why it is okay to say that 0+2πk<π/x<π+2πk.
Thank you very much, I finally understoodfresh_42 said:Let us write the sine function as ##\varphi = \sin \alpha##. Then you just said that ##\varphi >0## when ##2k\pi < \alpha < (2k+1)\pi## for ##k\in \mathbb{Z}##. Now how can we compare ##\sin \alpha## and ##\sin (\pi/x)##? We can do this by setting ##\alpha:=\pi/x.## Thus we get from the above inequality that
$$
\varphi =\sin \alpha = \sin \left(\dfrac{\pi}{x}\right) > 0 \text{ when } 2k\pi < \alpha = \dfrac{\pi}{x} < (2k+1)\pi \quad (k\in \mathbb{Z})
$$
Next question is: Can you transform ##2k\pi < \dfrac{\pi}{x} < (2k+1)\pi## into something like ##A < x < B##?