Find the following fourier series in trigonometric form

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The discussion revolves around finding the Fourier series in trigonometric form for a piecewise function defined over the interval from 0 to 2. The function is described as linear in one segment and zero in another, leading to questions about the periodic extension and the correct application of Fourier series coefficients.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of Fourier coefficients, specifically questioning the assumptions about the period of the function and the implications for the trigonometric terms. There are inquiries about the integration process and the interpretation of the results, particularly regarding the summation of terms and the behavior of the series at specific points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the need to use the full period for calculations and have pointed out potential misunderstandings regarding the periodic nature of the function. There is an ongoing exploration of how to handle the integration and the resulting series, with multiple interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

There are mentions of confusion regarding the periodic extension of the function and its continuity, as well as the treatment of specific points where the function's behavior deviates from expected values. The original poster's assumptions about the period and the limits of integration are under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


Find the following Fourier series in trigonometric form.
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Homework Equations


$$y(t)=a_0+\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n cos(n\omega_{0}t)+b_n sin(n\omega_{0}t)$$

The Attempt at a Solution


The graph above is represented by the function:
$$
x(t) = \left\{
\begin{array}{ll}
-t+1 & \quad 0 < t \leq 1 \\
0 & \quad 1 < t \leq 2
\end{array}
\right.
$$

##T_0=2## and ##\omega_{0}=\pi##

To find ##a_0##:
$$a_0=\frac{1}{T_{0}}\int_{0}^{T_{0}} x(t)dt = \frac{1}{2}\int_{0}^{1} (-t+1)dt = \frac{1}{4}$$
The integral of 0 can be ignored since it equals 0.

To find ##a_n##:
$$a_n=\frac{2}{T_{0}}\int_{0}^{T_0}x(t) cos(n\omega_{0}t)dt=\frac{2}{2}\int_{0}^{1} (-t+1)cos(\pi nt)dt=\int_{0}^{1} -tcos(\pi nt)dt +cos(\pi nt)dt$$

To find ##b_n##
$$b_n=\frac{2}{T_{0}}\int_{0}^{T_{0}} x(t)sin(n\omega_{0}t)dt = \frac{2}{2}\int_{0}^{1} (-t+1)sin(\pi nt)dt=\int_{0}^{1} -tsin(\pi nt)+sin(\pi nt)dt$$

I am assuming that the ##T_0## in these equations are for the period of each function, since the function x(t)=0 is from 1 to 2, I only use 1 for ##T_0## for the function x(t)=-t+1.

Now I can find these integrals for ##a_n## and ##b_n## using integration by parts, but I'm wondering if I am going along with this correctly and what I will do once I find it (the summation really confuses me).Thank you for any help!
 
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It looks right, go head. Find an bn, in terms of n. No need to sum, the sum must be the original function:)
 
ehild said:
It looks right, go head. Find an bn, in terms of n. No need to sum, the sum must be the original function:)

Except at x = 0 and x = 2, where the sum will be 1/2 instead of 1 and 0, respectively.
 
ehild said:
It looks right, go head. Find an bn, in terms of n. No need to sum, the sum must be the original function:)

The original function is continuous in negative and positive direction, sorry I should of mentioned that.
 
iRaid said:

Homework Statement


Find the following Fourier series in trigonometric form.
6oooi8.png


Homework Equations

I am assuming that the ##T_0## in these equations are for the period of each function, since the function x(t)=0 is from 1 to 2, I only use 1 for ##T_0## for the function x(t)=-t+1.

Wrong assumption. The periodic extension of that function has period ##T=2##. Even though the integral for the coefficients is zero for half the period, you still have to use the full period in the trig functions. That is, for example, ##sin(\frac {n \pi t}{T}) = sin(\frac {n \pi t}{2})## and similarly for the cosine.
 
iRaid said:
The original function is continuous in negative and positive direction, sorry I should of mentioned that.
The function must be periodic to have a Fourier series. So it is not continuous at x=2k (for integer k). And Ray is right, the Fourier series returns 1/2 at x=2k instead of f(2k)=0, as the original function.
 
LCKurtz said:
Wrong assumption. The periodic extension of that function has period ##T=2##. Even though the integral for the coefficients is zero for half the period, you still have to use the full period in the trig functions. That is, for example, ##sin(\frac {n \pi t}{T}) = sin(\frac {n \pi t}{2})## and similarly for the cosine.
The OP was referring to the upper limit of the integral, which can be set to 1 because x(t) is 0 from t=1 to t=2. What he wrote confused me too. The rest of the calculations properly use ##T_0=2##.
 
iRaid said:
The original function is continuous in negative and positive direction, sorry I should of mentioned that.

Not sure what you mean by that. If you actually want the periodic extension to represent a continuous function for all ##t## you would have to take the even extension of your function, use ##T=4##, and do a half range cosine expansion. Unless you were given instructions in the problem you haven't told us, I doubt that is what is wanted.
 
vela said:
The OP was referring to the upper limit of the integral, which can be set to 1 because x(t) is 0 from t=1 to t=2. What he wrote confused me too. The rest of the calculations properly use ##T_0=2##.

I don't think so. I don't see ##\sin(\frac{n\pi t} 2)## in those integrands.
 
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If the period is T=2, then ##\omega=2\pi/T = \pi##, so the argument of the trig functions is ##n\pi t##.
 
  • #11
vela said:
If the period is T=2, then ##\omega=2\pi/T = \pi##, so the argument of the trig functions is ##n\pi t##.

Arghh. You're right. @iRaid: Ignore my posts, except (maybe) post #8.
 
  • #12
What I mean is that the function repeats itself forever, it doesn't just go from 0 to 2. What would I end up doing once I figure out the 2 integration by parts? The summation really confuses me and I never understand how examples of these problems get rid of sine or cosine. The examples will say something like "clearly this equals 0 so the sine term can be excluded" but it is not clear to me.
 
  • #13
iRaid said:
What would I end up doing once I figure out the 2 integration by parts?
You will get an and bn, and then write up the Fourier series as
##y(t)=a_0+\sum\limits_{n=1}^{\infty} a_n cos(n\omega_{0}t)+b_n sin(n\omega_{0}t)##
Perhaps, you find a formula to write up the general terms.
iRaid said:
The summation really confuses me and I never understand how examples of these problems get rid of sine or cosine. The examples will say something like "clearly this equals 0 so the sine term can be excluded" but it is not clear to me.

Some of the integrals turn out to be zero if you substitute the boundaries. If you get sin(nπt), for example, it is zero both at t=0 and t=1..Just do the integrals you obtained in the OP and you will see.
 

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