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The discussion revolves around finding the inverse of the function \(f(x) = \frac{1 - \sqrt{x}}{1 + \sqrt{x}}\). Participants explore various methods for deriving the inverse, including algebraic manipulations and considerations of domain restrictions. The conversation includes technical reasoning and prompts for clarification regarding the interchange of variables.

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  • Technical explanation
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derived expression for the inverse as \(x = \frac{(y-1)^2}{(y+1)^{2}}\) and discusses the conditions under which this holds.
  • Another participant questions the interchange of \(x\) and \(y\) in the derivation and prompts a discussion on whether the resulting function is one-to-one without domain restrictions.
  • A later reply suggests a simpler expression for \(x\) in terms of \(y\) as \(x = \left(\frac{1-y}{1+y}\right)^2\) and notes the range of \(y\) when \(x \in [0, \infty)\).
  • Participants discuss the importance of specifying the domain of the inverse function, with one stating that for the inverse function to be valid, \(x\) must be restricted to \(x \geq 1\) for \(y \geq 0\).
  • Another participant emphasizes that the inverse function should be expressed in terms of \(x\) and provides a final form of the inverse as \(f^{-1}(x) = \frac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}\) with the domain \(-1 < x \leq 1\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct approach to finding the inverse and whether the derived expressions are valid without additional domain restrictions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of interchanging \(x\) and \(y\) and the conditions necessary for the inverse to be one-to-one.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the function's domain and the conditions under which the inverse is valid. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in variable interchange and the implications for the function's one-to-one nature.

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f(x) \ = \ \dfrac{1 - \sqrt{x}}{1 + \sqrt{x}}
 
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checkittwice said:
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f(x) \ = \ \dfrac{1 - \sqrt{x}}{1 + \sqrt{x}}

Hi checkittwice,

Let, \(y = \dfrac{1 - \sqrt{x}}{1 + \sqrt{x}}\)

\[y(1-x)=(1-\sqrt{x})^2\]

\[y(1-x)=1-2\sqrt{x}+x\]

\[(y-yx-x-1)^2=4x\]

\[((y-1)-x(y+1))^2=4x\]

\[(y+1)^{2}x^2-2(y-1)(y+1)x+(y-1)^2=4x\]

\[(y+1)^{2}x^2-\left\{2(y-1)(y+1)+4\right\}x+(y-1)^2=0\]

\[x=\frac{\left\{2(y-1)(y+1)+4\right\}\pm\sqrt{\left\{2(y-1)(y+1)+4\right\}^2-4(y+1)^{2}(y-1)^2}}{2(y+1)^{2}}\]

\[x=\frac{\left\{2(y-1)(y+1)+4\right\}\pm\sqrt{16+16(y-1)(y+1)}}{2(y+1)^{2}}\]

\[x=\frac{\left\{2(y-1)(y+1)+4\right\}\pm 4|y|}{2(y+1)^{2}}\]

\[x=\frac{y^2\pm 2|y|+1}{(y+1)^{2}}\]

If we use the positive sign, \(x=1\) whenever \(y\geq 0\). Similarly if we use the negative sign, \(x=1\) whenever \(y\leq 0\). Both of these are not true considering our original equation. Therefore the only possibility is to use the positive sign when \(y<0\) and the negative sign when \(y\geq 0\). This gives us,

\[x = \frac{(y-1)^2}{(y+1)^{2}}\]
 
Sudharaka said:
\[x = \frac{(y-1)^2}{(y+1)^{2}}\] ? ? ?

Sudharaka,

here are two observations/prompts:

1) Nowhere in your work did you ever interchange x any y.

2) Suppose you were to interchange x and y to get

y \ = \ \dfrac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}Would that be a one-to-one function?

Or, would you have to restrict the domain (and state it as such)
to get the correct inverse?

The problem is still open.
 
checkittwice said:
Sudharaka,

here are two observations/prompts:

1) Nowhere in your work did you ever interchange x any y.

2) Suppose you were to interchange x and y to get

y \ = \ \dfrac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}Would that be a one-to-one function?

Or, would you have to restrict the domain (and state it as such)
to get the correct inverse?

The problem is still open.

Hi checkittwice,

In my final answer \(y\) is the independent variable and \(x\) is the dependent variable. I thought it would be understood and did not interchange \(x\) and \(y\). I hope this is the thing that you mentioned in your first statement.

And of course I forgot to mention about the domain of the inverse in my first post. In the original function, \(x\geq 0\). Therefore in the inverse function; \(\displaystyle y \ = \ \dfrac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}\) we have to make \(y\geq 0\). For that \(x\geq 1\). So the inverse function would be,

\[\displaystyle y \ = \ \dfrac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}\mbox{ where }x\geq 1\]
 
We can express x through y more simply:

y(1+\sqrt{x})=1-\sqrt{x}
y+y\sqrt{x}=1-\sqrt{x}
\sqrt{x}(1+y)=1-y
\sqrt{x}=\frac{1-y}{1+y}
x=\left(\frac{1-y}{1+y}\right)^2

Also, one can check for the original function that when x\in[0,\infty), one has -1&lt;y\le 1. The latter inequality determines the domain of the inverse function.
 
Sudharaka said:
Hi checkittwice,

In my final answer \(y\) is the independent variable and \(x\) is the dependent variable.
I thought it would be understood and did not interchange \(x\) and \(y\).

>The value of f^{-1}(x)depends on what x equals.

>You can't go by what you "understood" if the problem isn't finished as typed
by you.

>For example, if I were to ask for the inverse of y = f(x) = 0.5x, someone would
not answer with 2y = x. They would answer with f^{-1}(x) \ = \ 2x.

>My first statement of my second post in this thread is redundant, because
the inverse will be of the form f^{-1}(x) = an expression in terms of x.I hope this is the thing that you mentioned in your first statement.
...

And as alluded to by Evgeny.Makarov, the domain of the desired
inverse will reflect the range of the original function.

So, to clear things up, the inverse is:f^{-1}(x) \ = \ \ \dfrac{(x - 1)^2}{(x + 1)^2}, \ \ -1&lt; x \le 1.
 

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