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The group presentation ##M = \langle r,s \mid r^m = e, s^n = e, srs^{-1} = r^j \rangle## has exactly ##mn## elements, where ##j## is a natural number satisfying ##\operatorname{gcd}(j,m) = 1## and ##j^n \equiv 1 \pmod{m}##. To demonstrate this, every element can be expressed in the form ##r^as^b##, leading to ##m## choices for ##a## and ##n## choices for ##b##. The proof confirms that no elements are counted multiple times, ensuring the total count remains ##mn##.

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Show that ##M = \langle r,s \mid r^m = e, s^n = e, srs^{-1} = r^j \rangle##, where ##j## is a natural number satisfying ##\operatorname{gcd}(j,m) = 1## and ##j^n \equiv 1 \pmod{m}##, has ##mn## elements,

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I'm not sure how to start to show this rigorously, but I do have some ideas. If we can show that every element can be written in the form ##r^as^b## then clearly we would have ##m## choices for ##a## and ##n## choices for ##b##, and hence by multiplying there would be ##mn## elements. But I'm not sure how to show that every product can be written in this form. I thought that maybe looking at the dihedral group and doing something analogous would help me, but all of the proofs that the dihedral group has ##2n## elements that I've seen use geomretical reasoning, which I don't seem to be able to do here.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Show that ##M = \langle r,s \mid r^m = e, s^n = e, srs^{-1} = r^j \rangle##, where ##j## is a natural number satisfying ##\operatorname{gcd}(j,m) = 1## and ##j^n \equiv 1 \pmod{m}##, has ##mn## elements,

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The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to start to show this rigorously, but I do have some ideas. If we can show that every element can be written in the form ##r^as^b## then clearly we would have ##m## choices for ##a## and ##n## choices for ##b##, and hence by multiplying there would be ##mn## elements. But I'm not sure how to show that every product can be written in this form. I thought that maybe looking at the dihedral group and doing something analogous would help me, but all of the proofs that the dihedral group has ##2n## elements that I've seen use geomretical reasoning, which I don't seem to be able to do here.
That every product can be written in this form is trivial: With ##sr=r^js## we can change every word until all ##s## are on the right and all ##r## are on the left. You can do this by induction over the number of changes ##(s^qr^p)## in words. Therefore ##M=\{\,r^ps^q\,|\,1\leq p \leq m\, , \,1\leq q \leq n\,\}## What is left to show is, that we do not count the same element multiple times, i.e. that ##r^ps^q=r^{p'}s^{q'} \Longrightarrow p=p' \,\wedge \, q=q'##
 

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