Understanding the Dicyclic Group of Order 12: Composition and Element Orders

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the dicyclic group of order 12, specifically focusing on its generators and the properties of its elements, including their orders. Participants are tasked with writing the product of two group elements and identifying specific order elements within the group.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to express the product of two group elements in the form of the group's generators and question the correctness of their derived expressions. There is also confusion regarding the identification of order elements, particularly whether certain elements can share the same order.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the product relations derived by others, indicating that they find the expressions plausible but suggest alternative notations. There is ongoing uncertainty regarding the classification of order elements, with multiple interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion arising from the use of different symbols for the same elements and the implications of the group structure as referenced from external sources.

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Homework Statement


The dicyclic group of order 12 is generated by 2 generators x and y such that: ##y^2 = x^3, x^6 = e, y^{-1}xy =x^{-1} ## where the element of Dic 12 can be written in the form ##x^{k}y^{l}, 0 \leq x < 6, y = 0,1##. Write the product between two group elements in the form ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n})## and show that ##a^3## is the only order 2 element and ##a^2## is the only order 3 element in Dic12.

Homework Equations


##y^2 = x^3, x^6 = e, y^{-1}xy =x^{-1}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer I was able to obtain is ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n}) = x^{k-m}y^{l+n}## for ##l = -1, 1## and ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n}) = x^{k+m}y^{n}## for ##l = 0##. Is this correct? Also, Isn't it that ##a^4## also an order 3 element? So now, I'm confused T_T
 
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Azure Ace said:

Homework Statement


The dicyclic group of order 12 is generated by 2 generators x and y such that: ##y^2 = x^3, x^6 = e, y^{-1}xy =x^{-1} ## where the element of Dic 12 can be written in the form ##x^{k}y^{l}, 0 \leq x < 6, y = 0,1##. Write the product between two group elements in the form ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n})## and show that ##a^3## is the only order 2 element and ##a^2## is the only order 3 element in Dic12.

Homework Equations


##y^2 = x^3, x^6 = e, y^{-1}xy =x^{-1}##

The Attempt at a Solution


The answer I was able to obtain is ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n}) = x^{k-m}y^{l+n}## for ##l = -1, 1## and ##(x^{k}y^{l})(x^{m}y^{n}) = x^{k+m}y^{n}## for ##l = 0##. Is this correct? Also, Isn't it that ##a^4## also an order 3 element? So now, I'm confused T_T

For one thing you seem to be using ##x## and ##a## to denote the same symbol. That's confusing. I do think your product relation looks like it works out. Though I'd choose to write it differently (I'm not sure what ##l=-1## is for). But sure, order 3 elements always come in pairs.
 
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Dick said:
For one thing you seem to be using ##x## and ##a## to denote the same symbol. That's confusing. I do think your product relation looks like it works out. Though I'd choose to write it differently (I'm not sure what ##l=-1## is for). But sure, order 3 elements always come in pairs.

Sorry, a is supposed to be ##x##. I'm confused by the problem that ##x^2## is the only order 3 element, but I also think that ##x^4## is also an order 3. I thought that maybe my product is wrong or something.
 

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