Find the relative mass of the blocks (thermochemistry)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a thermochemistry problem involving two blocks, copper and aluminum, coming into thermal contact. Participants are trying to determine the relative masses of the blocks based on their specific heat capacities and temperature changes, while clarifying the meaning of "relative mass" in this context.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The initial poster presents a heat transfer equation based on the specific heat capacities of copper and aluminum, questioning the meaning of "relative mass."
  • One participant suggests that "relative mass" refers to the ratio of the two masses.
  • Another participant proposes that if the question is about the ratio, it could be derived from the specific heat capacities, assuming the temperature change is the same for both blocks.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to establish a heat balance equation to solve for the mass ratio explicitly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of "relative mass," with some participants agreeing it refers to the mass ratio while others question the terminology. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to solving the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached an agreement on the definitions or methods to apply in solving the problem, and there are unresolved assumptions about the heat transfer process.

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Homework Statement


A block of copper at 100.0° C comes into contact with a block of aluminum at 20.0°C. The final temperature of the blocks is 60.0°C. What are the relative masses of the blocks?


Homework Equations


mcΔT
copper specific heat = .386 J/g°C
aluminum specific heat = .900 J/g°C

The Attempt at a Solution



(x)(.386 J/g°C)(40°C) = (x)(.900 J/g°C)(-40°C)
what I use to try to find the mass, assuming that the energy lost in one part of the system is gained by the other... Also, what is meant by "relative" mass in this question?

Until I realize this equation cannot be solved...

Any help is appreciated not really sure how to go about doing this problem, I feel like I am missing something because this should be very easy.
 
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Hi Ritzycat! :smile:
Ritzycat said:
… What are the relative masses of the blocks?
… what is meant by "relative" mass in this question?

I think they mean: what is the ratio of the two masses (ie what is one mass relative to the other).

(imo, this is not a correct use of the words "relative masses" :redface:)
 
Thanks for the response.

If the question is referring to ratio, wouldn't the ratio of their masses simply be the ratio of the specific heat capacities? (given the absolute value of delta T is the same)
 
What can you say about the heat loss/gain of each block?
 
Ritzycat said:
If the question is referring to ratio, wouldn't the ratio of their masses simply be the ratio of the specific heat capacities? (given the absolute value of delta T is the same)

Only if you can prove it. Just write heat balance using m_{Al} and m_{Cu} and solve for \frac {m_{Al}} {m_{Cu}}.
 

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