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The discussion revolves around finding the smallest natural number that ends with the digit 6, such that moving this final 6 to the front of the number results in a number that is four times the original. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques.

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  • One participant presents the problem and suggests it can be solved as an alphametic.
  • Another participant provides a detailed breakdown of the solution process, showing how to derive the digits of the number step by step.
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Find the smallest natural number with 6 as the last digit, such that if the final 6 is moved to the front of the number it is multiplied by 4.
 
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Let's choose to let $x$ represent the string of $n$ digits to the left of 6 initially. Using the given information, we may state:

$$4(10x+6)=6\cdot10^n+x$$

After some simplification, we obtain:

$$x=\frac{2\left(10^n-4 \right)}{13}$$

By trial and error, I find the smallest value for $n$ which gives an integral value for $x$ is:

$n=5$

and thus:

$x=15384$

which means the original number is $153846$. And we find:

$$\frac{615384}{153846}=4$$
 
Bravo, MarkFL!

You deserve a round of applause for this solution!(Clapping):cool:
 
Hello, anemone!

This can be solved as an alphametic.

Find the smallest natural number ending with 6,
such that if the final 6 is moved to the front of the number ,
it is multiplied by 4.
Suppose the number has the form:- \text{. . . }A\,B\,C\,D\,E\,6

\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & D & E & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & D & E \end{array}\text{In column-6, }E = 4
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & D & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & D & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-5, }D = 8
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-4, }C = 3
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-3, }B = 5
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-2, }A = 1
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ 1 & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & 1 & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}

\text{ta-}DAA!
 
soroban said:
Hello, anemone!

This can be solved as an alphametic.


Suppose the number has the form:- \text{. . . }A\,B\,C\,D\,E\,6

\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & D & E & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & D & E \end{array}\text{In column-6, }E = 4
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & D & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & D & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-5, }D = 8
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & C & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & C & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-4, }C = 3
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & B & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & B & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-3, }B = 5
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ A & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & A & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}\text{In column-2, }A = 1
\text{We have: }\;\begin{array}{cccccc} _1&_2&_3&_4&_5&_6 \\ 1 & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 & 6 \\ \times &&&&& 4 \\ \hline 6 & 1 & 5 & 3 & 8 & 4 \end{array}

\text{ta-}DAA!

Hi soroban,:) thank you for showing us another great method to solve this problem and you too deserve a pat on the back!:cool:(Clapping)
 

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