Find the total energy of the system

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a mass-spring system. The original poster attempts to find the total energy of the system, along with the speed of the object at a specific position and the kinetic and potential energies at another position. The subject area includes concepts of oscillatory motion, energy conservation, and the mathematical representation of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of equations for position and velocity in oscillatory motion, questioning the necessity of the phase constant and how to handle time variables. There is also exploration of whether certain assumptions can be made regarding the phase constant and its impact on energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide guidance on the arbitrary nature of the phase constant in the absence of initial conditions, while others emphasize the importance of unit consistency. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly regarding the relationship between position, velocity, and energy in the context of a conservative system.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding unit conversions between centimeters and meters, as well as between grams and newtons, which may affect calculations. The problem does not specify initial conditions, leading to discussions about the implications of this on the phase constant.

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Homework Statement



A 50.0 gram object, connected to a spring with a force constant of 35.0 N/m oscillates on
a horizontal, frictionless surface with an amplitude of 4.00 cm.
Find: a) The total energy of the system.
b) The speed of the object when the position is 1.00 cm
c) The Kinetic Energy and the Potential Energy when the
position is 3.00 cm.

Homework Equations


x(t)=Acos(wt+phi)
v(t)=-[wA]sin(wt+phi)
E=U+K
U=1/2kA^2
K=1/2mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


i guess what i am having trouble with is solving for the kinetic energy in part A. i know that i can substitute the v(t) equation for v but where am i getting the phase constant, or the time components? or can i just ignore them and assume that x=A and therefore K=0 so total energy would be just 1/2kA^2. as for part B my method is that i want to solve for the phase constant in the x(t) equation first and then plug that into my velcity equation but what do i do about the time variable? then using that phase constant i found i am going to find part C. do these methods work? and please advise on part A thanks.
 
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So, you do have the right information for getting the right phase constant. (As a quick note, make sure you watch the units that are given.) As of now I'm going to assume this is a calculus based course, and that if you are given a maximum for a given function (position in your case) you know what to do to find that maximum.

You are correct about how you can just plug in whatever you find though. For part b you will want to know the time to plug into the velocity equation, any ideas on how to find that? Part c will function similarly.
 
Mindscrape said:
So, you do have the right information for getting the right phase constant. (As a quick note, make sure you watch the units that are given.) As of now I'm going to assume this is a calculus based course, and that if you are given a maximum for a given function (position in your case) you know what to do to find that maximum.

You are correct about how you can just plug in whatever you find though. For part b you will want to know the time to plug into the velocity equation, any ideas on how to find that? Part c will function similarly.

how do i find the phase constant (phi)? is it pi/2?
 
The phase constant is actually arbitrary in this case, unless you are given some initial conditions you didn't post. Do you see why?

How will you find A? What do you get for your equation x(t)?
 
Mindscrape said:
The phase constant is actually arbitrary in this case, unless you are given some initial conditions you didn't post. Do you see why?

How will you find A? What do you get for your equation x(t)?

amplitude is provided and = 4, can i really just ignore phi? my x(t) equation is then just x(t)=4cos(.837t)
 
Yeah, the problem doesn't say anything about initial conditions, so you might as well just pick anything along the sine or cosine waveform. This makes sense because the question keeps asking about energies at certain positions, which does not explicitly depend on time in a conservative system.

Watch your units, check the eqn again.
 
Mindscrape said:
Yeah, the problem doesn't say anything about initial conditions, so you might as well just pick anything along the sine or cosine waveform. This makes sense because the question keeps asking about energies at certain positions, which does not explicitly depend on time in a conservative system.

Watch your units, check the eqn again.

yea i see what u mean, I'm mixig cm with m, and N and grams. thanks for the help
 

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