Find the values of Δz and dz

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The discussion revolves around calculating the values of Δz and dz for the function z = x² − xy + 9y² as the variables (x, y) change from (2, −1) to (1.96, −1.05). Participants are exploring the differences between the two values and addressing errors in their calculations.

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  • One participant calculates dz using the formulas Zx and Zy but believes their answer is incorrect.
  • Another participant suggests that the formulas for Zx and Zy were switched, providing corrected expressions for both.
  • There is a discussion about how to compute Δz, with one participant confirming the method of finding the difference between z values at two points.
  • A participant initially reports an incorrect value for Δz but later corrects it, indicating the revised answer is accurate.

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Participants do not fully agree on the initial calculations for dz, with corrections proposed. There is also a consensus on the method to compute Δz, but initial values reported differ.

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Some calculations depend on the correct application of partial derivatives, and there are unresolved discrepancies in the initial values for dz and Δz.

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If z = x2 − xy + 9y2 and (x, y) changes from (2, −1) to (1.96, −1.05), compare the values of Δz and dz. (Round your answers to four decimal places.)

This is what I have so far:

dx = Δx = -0.04
dy = Δy = -0.05

Zy = 2x-y
Zx = 18y-x

dz = Zx (2,-1)dx + Zy (2,-1)dy

dz = -0.03 - 0.86 = -0.89

It says my answer for dz is wrong, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong
 
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Hi Carl123,

When you have an answer that disagrees with the answer given in your text, please let us know first the answer in the textbook.

carl123 said:
This is what I have so far:
Zy = 2x-y
Zx = 18y-x

I believe you accidentally switched the formulas for $Z_y$ and $Z_x$; it should be $Z_x = 2x - y$ and $Z_y = 18y - x$.

dz = Zx (2,-1)dx + Zy (2,-1)dy

dz = -0.03 - 0.86 = -0.89

Well, $Z_x(2,-1) = 2(2) - (-1) = 4 + 1 = 5$ and $Z_y(2,-1) = 18(-1) - 2 = -18 - 2 = -20$, so

$$dz = Z_x(2,-1)(-0.04) + Z_y(2,-1)(-0.05) = (5)(-0.04) + (-20)(-0.05) = -0.2 + 1 = 0.8.$$
 
Thanks for your reply, the question is not from a text, it's from an online homework. I don't know the answer myself but it marked me wrong
 
Ok, thanks for the clarification. But I believe I've given you the proper correction in my last post.
 
Thanks. Do I follow the same process to get Δz?
 
You just need to compute $z(1.96,-1.05) - z(2,-1)$.
 
I initially got -0.8221 as my answer for Δz and it was wrong but then i realized I had it switched, I switched it over and the answer came out to be 0.8221 which is correct. Thanks a lot for your help.
 

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