Find Vectors $\vec{v_1}$, $\vec{v_2}$, $\vec{v_3}$ Given Dot Products

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The discussion revolves around finding three vectors, $\vec{v_1}$, $\vec{v_2}$, and $\vec{v_3}$, based on given dot product equations. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploratory problem-solving related to vector properties and relationships.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to approach the problem and suggests that assuming a specific form for the vectors may not be helpful.
  • Another participant proposes that there is flexibility in choosing $\vec{v_1}$, as long as its length is 2, and suggests a specific choice of $\vec{v_1} = (2,0,0)$.
  • It is noted that $\vec{v_2}$ can be chosen with a length of $\sqrt{2}$ and a dot product of -2 with $\vec{v_1}$, leading to a specific calculation for its components.
  • A participant calculates components for $\vec{v_2}$ and proposes a specific vector for $\vec{v_3}$ based on earlier choices.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of mirroring or rotating the vectors, suggesting that such transformations yield additional valid solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the flexibility of choosing the vectors, but there is no consensus on the specific forms of the vectors or the implications of transformations like mirroring and rotating.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implications of their choices and the relationships between the vectors, indicating that the problem may have multiple valid solutions depending on the chosen parameters.

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Problem:
Find $\vec{v_1}$,$\vec{v_2}$ and $\vec{v_3}$ given that:

$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_1}=4$$
$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_2}=-2$$
$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_3}=6$$
$$\vec{v_2}\cdot \vec{v_2}=2$$
$$\vec{v_2}\cdot \vec{v_3}=-5$$
$$\vec{v_3}\cdot \vec{v_3}=29$$

Attempt:
Assuming the vector $\vec{v_i}$ as $x_i \hat{i}+y_i \hat{j}+z_i \hat{k}$ is definitely not a good idea.

I am really clueless on how to tackle this problem. I can see that adding the second and fourth equation gives $\vec{v_2}\cdot (\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2})=0$. This means that $\vec{v_1}$ is perpendicular to $\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2}$ but I am not sure if this helps. I need a few hints to begin with.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Pranav said:
Problem:
Find $\vec{v_1}$,$\vec{v_2}$ and $\vec{v_3}$ given that:

$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_1}=4$$
$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_2}=-2$$
$$\vec{v_1}\cdot \vec{v_3}=6$$
$$\vec{v_2}\cdot \vec{v_2}=2$$
$$\vec{v_2}\cdot \vec{v_3}=-5$$
$$\vec{v_3}\cdot \vec{v_3}=29$$

Attempt:
Assuming the vector $\vec{v_i}$ as $x_i \hat{i}+y_i \hat{j}+z_i \hat{k}$ is definitely not a good idea.

I am really clueless on how to tackle this problem. I can see that adding the second and fourth equation gives $\vec{v_2}\cdot (\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2})=0$. This means that $\vec{v_1}$ is perpendicular to $\vec{v_1}+\vec{v_2}$ but I am not sure if this helps. I need a few hints to begin with.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

Hey Pranav! ;)

There is a bit of freedom here.
You can pick any vector for $\vec v_1$ as long as its length is $2$.
After that, you can pick any vector for $\vec v_2$ as long as its length is $\sqrt 2$ and its dot product with $\vec v_1$ is $-2$.
After that we can see what remains for $\vec v_3$.

So let's pick $\vec v_1 = (2,0,0)$. That is with a zero component in both y- and z-directions.
And let's pick the z-coordinate of $\vec v_2$ zero.
Can you find a $\vec v_2$ that fits?
And after that a $\vec v_3$?

When you have found a solution, you can rotate or mirror that solution anyway you want (or a combination of those), and you'll have another solution.
 
I like Serena said:
Hey Pranav! ;)

There is a bit of freedom here.
You can pick any vector for $\vec v_1$ as long as its length is $2$.
After that, you can pick any vector for $\vec v_2$ as long as its length is $\sqrt 2$ and its dot product with $\vec v_1$ is $-2$.
After that we can see what remains for $\vec v_3$.

So let's pick $\vec v_1 = (2,0,0)$. That is with a zero component in both y- and z-directions.
And let's pick the z-coordinate of $\vec v_2$ zero.
Can you find a $\vec v_2$ that fits?
And after that a $\vec v_3$?
When you have found a solution, you can rotate or mirror that solution anyway you want (or a combination of those), and you'll have another solution.

Hi ILS! :)

Let $\vec{v_2}=x_2\hat{i}+y_2\hat{j}$. Then, from the second equation we have $2x_2=-2 \Rightarrow x_2=-1$, hence $y_2$ must be either $1$ or $-1$. Let us pick $y_2=1$.

I similarly found $\vec{v_3}$ (with $y_2=1$) equal to $3\hat{i}-2\hat{j}+4\hat{k}$.

...(or a combination of those), and you'll have another solution.
I am not sure what this means. Do you say that $v_1+v_2=\hat{i}+\hat{j}$ is also a solution to the given equation?

Thanks!
 
Pranav said:
Hi ILS! :)

Let $\vec{v_2}=x_2\hat{i}+y_2\hat{j}$. Then, from the second equation we have $2x_2=-2 \Rightarrow x_2=-1$, hence $y_2$ must be either $1$ or $-1$. Let us pick $y_2=1$.

I similarly found $\vec{v_3}$ (with $y_2=1$) equal to $3\hat{i}-2\hat{j}+4\hat{k}$.

Good!
I am not sure what this means. Do you say that $v_1+v_2=\hat{i}+\hat{j}$ is also a solution to the given equation?

Thanks!

No. I mean that you can mirror all three vectors, and then rotate all three vectors, and the result will be another solution.
If you rotate all 3 vectors together, their lengths and their directions relative to each other remain the same.
 
I like Serena said:
No. I mean that you can mirror all three vectors, and then rotate all three vectors, and the result will be another solution.
If you rotate all 3 vectors together, their lengths and their directions relative to each other remain the same.

Thanks a lot ILS! :)
 

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