Finding 2nd partial derivative

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of the second partial derivative, particularly in the context of applying the chain rule. Participants express confusion regarding the validity of squaring the first partial derivative to obtain the second partial derivative and seek clarification on the underlying principles and intuition.

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  • One participant questions whether squaring the first partial derivative to find the second partial derivative is a valid operation and asks for intuition and proof.
  • Several participants request additional context, specifically the full equation referenced as equation 2.2, which is not initially provided.
  • One participant suggests that the simple form of the second derivative may arise from the condition t = t', implying a potential simplification in the analysis.
  • Another participant clarifies that the operation is not squaring but rather applying the partial derivative twice, drawing an analogy to the notation for second derivatives.

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There is no consensus on the validity of the operation in question, and multiple viewpoints are presented regarding the interpretation of the second partial derivative. Participants express confusion and seek clarification, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion lacks complete information about the equations involved, which may affect the understanding of the second partial derivative's formulation. The assumptions regarding the relationship between t and t' are also not fully explored.

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I've attached an image to this post. It essentially shows the equation for the first partial derivative using chain rule, which makes sense. What I'm confused with is how the second partial derivative was formulated. It seems they've simply squared the first partial derivative to find the second partial derivative. It seems a little odd but is this a valid operation? Would I cube it to find the 3rd partial derivative? Could anyone possibly explain the intuition behind why this is allowed (possibly directing me to a proof to also explain, if possible)?

Thank you!
 

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You haven't supplied the full picture. What is equation 2.2?
 
mathman said:
You haven't supplied the full picture. What is equation 2.2?

My apologies, equation 2.2:

t = t'
x = x' - vt' = x' - vt
 
Any thoughts? I feel like I'm missing something very fundamental here...
 
I haven't gone through the analysis, but I suspect the simple form of the second derivative results from t=t'.
 
mathman said:
I haven't gone through the analysis, but I suspect the simple form of the second derivative results from t=t'.

The same method is used for subsequent problems where this isn't necessarily true
 

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They are not "squaring", they are applying the partial derivative twice. Just as \frac{d^2 f}{dx^2}= \frac{d}{dx}\left(\frac{df}{dt}\right) so that we can write the second derivative operator as \frac{d^2}{dt^2}= \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{d}{dt}\right).
 
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