Finding a formula for the following summation

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The discussion revolves around finding a formula for a summation involving squared terms, specifically in the context of sequences defined by n. The original poster expresses difficulty in locating a relevant formula and seeks guidance on how to approach the problem.

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  • Participants discuss the termination of the sum based on the value of n and whether it should stop before reaching negative terms. There is mention of using induction, but uncertainty exists regarding formulating a proper hypothesis. Various forms of the summation are suggested, including sequences of odd and even squares.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of how to define the summation and its limits. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of the terms involved, but no consensus or clear direction has emerged yet.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the sum's termination and the conditions under which the terms remain non-negative. There is also a lack of clarity on how to formulate a general hypothesis for the summation.

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[itex] n^2 + (n-2)^2 + (n-4)^2...[/itex]
where n is a natural number
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When are you going to terminate the sum?
 
PeroK said:
When are you going to terminate the sum?

The sum terminating depends on n. I don't know how to come up with a general formula for all n though
 
rxh140630 said:
The sum terminating depends on n. I don't know how to come up with a general formula for all n though
You mean you stop before the terms get negative.
 
PeroK said:
You mean you stop before the terms get negative.
Yes. I'm assuming you're hinting at induction but the trouble is I can't think of a proper hypothesis in the first place..
 
rxh140630 said:
Yes. I'm assuming you're hinting at induction but the trouble is I can't think of a proper hypothesis in the first place..
I haven't thought about it. From what you say, you want either:
$$1 + 9 + 25 + \dots + (2k+1)^2$$
Or
$$4 + 16 + \dots + (2k)^2$$
 
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PeroK said:
You mean you stop before the terms get negative.
None of the terms will be negative, since they are squared quantities. I'm sure you meant something more like stopping before n - 2k gets negative.
 

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