Finding Amplitude of the Oscillation

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The discussion revolves around a spring block system where a constant force is applied to a block at rest, and the spring is initially relaxed. Participants are exploring how to determine the amplitude of the resulting simple harmonic motion (SHM) and the implications of the new equilibrium position.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the equilibrium position and the relationship between the applied force and the spring force. Questions arise regarding the initial position of the block relative to the new equilibrium and the implications for SHM.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between forces and equilibrium, while others are questioning the initial conditions and how they relate to the amplitude of the motion. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the block's initial state and its displacement at t=0.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the completeness of the problem statement, with some participants suggesting that additional information about the velocity of the block may be necessary for a full understanding of the SHM characteristics.

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Homework Statement

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A man applies a Force F on a spring block system shown.towards right when the block is at rest and spring is relaxed .If F is constant then
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Homework Equations

: F=-kx[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


The equilibrium position will be at the position where the disturbing and restoring fores are equal

F=kx
x=F/k

Also the time period will be 2pi√m/k.How should I proceed after this
 

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What is the problem asking you to find?
 
NFuller said:
What is the problem asking you to find?
The Amplitude of the resulting simple harmonic motion
 
Hydrous Caperilla said:

Homework Statement

A
A man applies a Force F on a spring block system shown.towards right when the block is at rest and spring is relaxed .If F is constant then
[/B]

Homework Equations

: F=-kx[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


The equilibrium position will be at the position where the disturbing and restoring fores are equal

F=kx
x=F/k

Also the time period will be 2pi√m/k.How should I proceed after this
What is the initial position of the block with rspect to the new equilibrium point?
 
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ehild said:
What is the initial position of the block with rspect to the new equilibrium point?
ehild said:
What is the initial position of the block with rspect to the new equilibrium point?
The intial position of the block is at the point where the spring is relaxed
 
If the force applied is constant, as stated, then the equilibrium position is where the applied force ##F_{a}## is equal to the force from the spring ##F_{s}##.
##F_{a}=F_{s}=kx##
You just need to solve for ##x##.
 
Hydrous Caperilla said:
The intial position of the block is at the point where the spring is relaxed
Yes, and it will perform SHM about the new equilibrium point. At t=0, what is its displacement with respect to that point?
 
NFuller said:
If the force applied is constant, as stated, then the equilibrium position is where the applied force ##F_{a}## is equal to the force from the spring ##F_{s}##.
##F_{a}=F_{s}=kx##
You just need to solve for ##x##.
I got the new equilibrium point from that...I am confused about how to proceed after that
 
ehild said:
Yes, and it will perform SHM about the new equilibrium point. At t=0, what is its displacement with respect to that point?
F/k in my opinion
 
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Hydrous Caperilla said:
F/k in my opinion
Yes. Write the time dependence of the displacement of the box for t ≥ 0.
 
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Hydrous Caperilla said:
I got the new equilibrium point from that...I am confused about how to proceed after that
If the problem is asking for the SHM about this new equilibrium point, then you need to know something about the velocity of the block at that point. It seems like your post is missing half of the problem.
 
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NFuller said:
If the problem is asking for the SHM about this new equilibrium point, then you need to know something about the velocity of the block at that point. It seems like your post is missing half of the problem.
The block is at rest and the spring is relaxed initially. So you know the position and velocity at t =0. No need for the velocity at the new equilibrium.
 
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ehild said:
Yes. Write the time dependence of the displacement of the box for t ≥ 0.
The equation of displacement will be :X=Asin( ωt+ Φ). At t=0, F/k=Asin( Φ).
 
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ehild said:
The block is at rest and the spring is relaxed initially. So you know the position and velocity at t =0. No need for the velocity at the new equilibrium.
You said the block is at rest at this point...won't this mean this is the amplitude point because at amplitude velocity is zero?
 
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Hydrous Caperilla said:
You said the block is at rest at this point...won't this mean this is the amplitude point because at amplitude velocity is zero?
Yes, the displacement of the block from its new equilibrium is biggest at t=0, when it is in rest. And the biggest displacement from equilibrium is the amplitude.
 
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