Oscillation Problem -- Why does my way not work?

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The problem involves a mass-spring system where a massless spring is attached to a ceiling with a small object hanging from it. The object is released from a height and oscillates, with the lowest point of oscillation specified. The original poster seeks to determine the frequency of oscillation and is questioning the validity of their approach, which involves equating gravitational force to spring force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to apply the force balance between gravity and spring force to find the spring constant and subsequently the frequency of oscillation. Participants question the assumption that the forces are equal at the lowest point of oscillation and explore the implications of this assumption.

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Participants are actively discussing the assumptions made regarding the equilibrium position of the mass-spring system. Some guidance has been provided regarding the dynamics of oscillation, particularly in relation to the behavior of the system beyond the equilibrium point.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the assumptions related to the equilibrium position and the forces acting on the mass-spring system during oscillation. The original poster's understanding of the relationship between gravitational force and spring force is being critically examined.

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1. Problem Description:
A massless spring hangs from the ceiling with a small object attached to its lower end. The object is initially held at rest at a position y. The object is then released from y and oscillates up and down, with its lowest position being 10cm below y.
What is the frequency of the oscillation?

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F=kx; w= sqroot k/m ; f= w/2pi ;3. I know that the right answer to the problem is 2.2 Hertz and I know how you could solve it using energy however I was wondering why the following does not give me the right answer. Is my math just wrong or is it a conceptual problem?

My Way:

F=kx
mg = kx ; x= .1m
mg = k (.1)
(9.8 /.1) = k/m
k/m = 98

w = sq-root k/m
w = sq-root (98)
w = 9.89

f = w/(2pi)
f= (9.89)/(2pi)
f= 1.57 Hz

This is obviously not the right answer. I hope you can give me an explanation as to why it's not.
Thanks in advance!
 
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katha said:
F=kx
mg = kx ; x= .1m

Why did you equate weight and spring force?
 
Mastermind01 said:
Why did you equate weight and spring force?

I don't no if this assumption is true, but I just thought that the mass/spring system's equilibrium point was at .1m and at that point the force of the spring and the force due to gravity should be equal (but in opposite direction).
 
katha said:
I don't no if this assumption is true, but I just thought that the mass/spring system's equilibrium point was at .1m and at that point the force of the spring and the force due to gravity should be equal (but in opposite direction).

Do you know the dynamics of oscillation? Think of a pendulum. What happens at its extreme point?
 
Mastermind01 said:
Do you know the dynamics of oscillation? Think of a pendulum. What happens at its extreme point?

Ok, I think I see where the problem is. The distance x can't be the equilibrium point because when smth oscillates, it goes beyond its equilibrium point. So F of the spring can't be equal to mg, right?
 
katha said:
Ok, I think I see where the problem is. The distance x can't be the equilibrium point because when smth oscillates, it goes beyond its equilibrium point. So F of the spring can't be equal to mg, right?

That is correct.
 

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