Finding and Fixing Mistakes in Simplifying Algebraic Expressions

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The problem involves simplifying the expression \(\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{c^{2}}{v^{2}}}}\) and determining the correct form of the expression in lowest terms. Participants are discussing the steps taken to simplify this expression and the potential mistakes made during the process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the steps taken to simplify the expression, questioning the validity of each transformation. There is a focus on the interpretation of fractions and the order of operations. Some participants are clarifying whether the initial expression should contain \(\frac{v^2}{c^2}\) or \(\frac{c^2}{v^2}\), and others are discussing the implications of these choices on the simplification process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and corrections to each other's reasoning. Some have offered clarifications regarding the order of operations and the interpretation of the expressions, while others are still grappling with the equivalence of certain steps in the simplification process.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the initial expression and the steps leading to the simplification. Participants are also considering the implications of their interpretations on the final form of the expression.

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Homework Statement



It is asked to write [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{c^{2}}{v^{2}}}}[/itex] in lowest terms.

The answer that's given is: [itex]\frac{M_{0}*c\sqrt{c^{2}-v^{2}}}{c^{2}-v^{2}}[/itex]

The problem is that I don't get the correct answer.

The Attempt at a Solution



My solution:

(0) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{c^{2}}{v^{2}}}}[/itex]

(1) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{\frac{c^{2}}{c^{2}}-\frac{c^{2}}{v^{2}}}}[/itex]

(2) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{\frac{c^{2}-v^{2}}{c^{2}}}}[/itex]

(3) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\frac{\sqrt{c^{2}-v^{2}}}{c}}[/itex]

But this is the same as:

(4) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{c^{2}-v^{2}}}[/itex] / c

So it is equal to

(5) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{c^{2}-v^{2}}*c}[/itex]

And I will not get rid of c in the denominator ...

Where did I go wrong?
 
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Is it [itex]\frac {v^2} {c^2}[/itex] or [itex]\frac {c^2} {v^2}[/itex]

your step (2) doesn't follow from (1) , but if the initial expression contains [itex]\frac {v^2} {c^2}[/itex] it would be valid. The answer you gave also needs the initial expression to be

[tex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^{2}}{c^{2}}}}[/tex]


from step (3) to step (4) you make a mistake.

you have to multiply the divisor and the dividend with c, and then you won't end up with (4)
 
Sorry, i made a mistake writing in the previous post ... it should be [itex]\frac {v^2} {c^2}[/itex] in (1) and (2).

What botther me actually is the (4) and (5).

Isn't (4) [itex]\frac{M_{0}}{\sqrt{c^{2}-v^{2}}}[/itex] / [itex]\frac{c}{1}[/itex] ?

And then one has to multiply by the riciprocal [itex]\frac{1}{c}[/itex] and get (5)?
 
Put a little emphasis on the divisor in (3). Re-written as such, (3) is really,

[tex] \frac{M_0}{\left(\frac{\sqrt{c^2-v^2}}{c} \right)}[/tex]

Does that help?
 
TheoMcCloskey said:
Put a little emphasis on the divisor in (3). Re-written as such, (3) is really,

[tex] \frac{M_0}{\left(\frac{\sqrt{c^2-v^2}}{c} \right)}[/tex]

Does that help?

Well of course it helps, I tried it myself and if this is the case then everything turns out right.

Now the only thing that's left to ask is WHY are the expresions not equivalent? In other words WHY is
[tex] \frac{M_0}{\left(\frac{\sqrt{c^2-v^2}}{c} \right)}[/tex]

the case?
 
No, (3) does not equal (4). Order of operations come into play. You're interpreting (3) as a/(b/c) and (4) as (a/b)/c, but
(a/b)/c ≠ a/(b/c)
[tex]\frac{\frac{a}{b}}{c} = \frac{a}{b} \cdot \frac{1}{c} = \frac{a}{bc}[/tex]
but
[tex]\frac{a}{\frac{b}{c}} = \frac{a}{1} \cdot \frac{c}{b} = \frac{ac}{b}[/tex]
(assuming that b and c are nonzero, of course)
 
Useful realization ... thank's to everyone ...
 

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