Finding Approximate Critical Number with Newton's Method

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around using Newton's Method to approximate a critical number of the function $$\displaystyle f(x) = \frac{1}{2} x^8 + \frac{6}{5} x ^5+ 2 x +10$$ near the point $$ x = 2 $$. Participants explore the concept of critical numbers and how to apply Newton's Method to find successive approximations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the term "critical number" in the context of Newton's Method, suggesting it may refer to a critical point where the derivative is zero.
  • Another participant clarifies that Newton's Method finds a zero of the derivative, implying that the derivative should be taken first to find the critical point.
  • Some participants report approximations around 1.7024 and 1.4022, noting that these approximations do not converge smoothly due to the nature of the function.
  • There is a suggestion that linear approximation might be relevant to the problem, with a participant noting that Newton's Method itself is a form of linear approximation.
  • Participants discuss the potential for overshooting the critical point before converging to it, indicating a non-linear behavior in the approximations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to find the derivative and use it in Newton's Method, but there is uncertainty regarding the behavior of the approximations and the implications of linear approximation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the critical point and the effectiveness of the method in this case.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the function's behavior and the convergence of the approximations. The relationship between critical points and zeros of the derivative is not fully clarified.

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Use Newton's Method to approximate a critical number of the function $$\displaystyle f(x) = \frac{1}{2} x^8 + \frac{6}{5} x ^5+ 2 x +10$$ near the point $$ x = 2 $$. Use $$ x_1 = 2 $$ as the initial approximation. Find the next two approximations, x_2 and x_3, to four decimal places each.I have been working on this problem and made f(x) a derivative and then use 2 as the initial approximation, but the math website keeps telling me it is wrong. I do not understand what it means by "critical number" when it comes to the Newton's Method. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!
 
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PirateCat said:
Use Newton's Method to approximate a critical number of the function $$\displaystyle f(x) = \frac{1}{2} x^8 + \frac{6}{5} x ^5+ 2 x +10$$ near the point $$ x = 2 $$. Use $$ x_1 = 2 $$ as the initial approximation. Find the next two approximations, x_2 and x_3, to four decimal places each.I have been working on this problem and made f(x) a derivative and then use 2 as the initial approximation, but the math website keeps telling me it is wrong. I do not understand what it means by "critical number" when it comes to the Newton's Method. Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

Hi PirateCat! Welcome to MHB! ;)

I'm assuming that a critical number is the same thing as a critical point.
That is where the derivative is zero.

However, Newton's method (actually the Newton-Raphson method) finds a zero.
Can it be that we're supposed to take the derivative and then find the zero?
\begin{tikzpicture}[>=stealth, xscale=5, font=\large, scale=0.5]
\foreach \i in {-1,0,1,2} {%
\draw (\i,.1) -- (\i,-.1) node[below] {$\i$};%
}
\foreach \i in {-5,0,5,10,15} {%
\draw (.1,\i) -- (-.1,\i) node
{$\i$};%
}
\draw[->] (-1.7,0) -- (2.2,0) node
{$x$};
\draw[->] (0,-6) -- (0,16) node[above] {$y$};
\draw[domain=-1.5:1.1, smooth, variable=\x, ultra thick, blue] plot ({\x},{1/2 * (\x)^8 + 6/5*(\x)^5 + 2*(\x) + 10}) node
{$y=f(x)$};
\draw[domain=-1.3:1.0, smooth, variable=\x, ultra thick, red] plot ({\x},{4 * (\x)^7 + 6*(\x)^4 + 2}) node
{$y=f'(x)$};
\end{tikzpicture}

Which approximations did you find? (Wondering)​
 
The approximations that I got were around 1.7024 and 1.4022 if I remember correctly; they were around that range. That makes sense equaling it out to zero, we did not go over that in class though.
 
PirateCat said:
The approximations that I got were around 1.7024 and 1.4022 if I remember correctly; they were around that range. That makes sense equaling it out to zero, we did not go over that in class though.

It seems to be intended as an example where Newton-Raphson has some limitations.
The approximations won't quite converge, since we have to go up from x=2, before going down to the actual critical point. (Nerd)
 
I see, that makes sense. Would linear approximation have to come into play then?
 
PirateCat said:
I see, that makes sense. Would linear approximation have to come into play then?

The Newton-Raphson method is a linear approximation! (Thinking)
 
Ahhh yeah you're right. I forgot that you can use the L(x) equation and turn it into Newton's Method XD I'm still confused on where to start though for this problem.
 
PirateCat said:
Ahhh yeah you're right. I forgot that you can use the L(x) equation and turn it into Newton's Method XD I'm still confused on where to start though for this problem.

What do you mean by "starting"?
I'm guessing we're supposed to find successive approximations, which will be a bit weird since we won't immediately go to the actual critical point.
Typically we'll overshoot after which we'll converge after all.
 

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