Finding cos in radians without calculator? Help?

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The discussion revolves around finding the cosine of specific angles in radians, particularly \(\cos(\pi/5)\) and \(\cos(\pi/9)\), without the use of a calculator. Participants explore various methods, including geometric approaches, trigonometric identities, and numerical techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding \(\cos(\pi/5)\) and seeks a systematic method for calculating cosines of odd angles.
  • Another participant suggests a wiki article that discusses geometric methods for finding exact trigonometric constants.
  • A participant notes that \(\cos(\pi/9)\) cannot be explicitly calculated using elementary operations and roots, raising questions about the limitations of finding certain cosine values.
  • One participant proposes using a bisection method combined with the half-angle formula to approximate \(\cos(\pi/5)\) by narrowing down the angle through midpoints.
  • Another participant mentions using the identity \(\cos(3\theta) = 4\cos^3(\theta) - 3\cos(\theta)\) to derive a cubic equation for \(\cos(\pi/9)\), indicating that while it can be expressed algebraically, it may not be expressible in radicals.
  • There is a discussion about the algebraic nature of \(\cos(\pi/n)\) and the conditions under which it can be expressed using radicals, referencing the Galois group of the n-th root of unity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the methods for finding cosines of specific angles, and multiple competing views and techniques are presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in finding explicit values for certain angles, such as \(\cos(\pi/9)\), and the dependence on algebraic methods and geometric interpretations. The exploration of methods remains unresolved, with various approaches suggested but no definitive solutions agreed upon.

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Hey guys this question is going to sound pretty dumb, but I never learned how to do this. What if I want to find say, cos(pi/5) but I don't have a calculator? Even if I did have a calculator, I want it in nice values, like square roots, rather than decimals anyway.


If I have something like cos(pi/8) I think I know how to find something like that using double angle formula cos(2x)=2cos2x-1, because I know the value of cos(4pi) and cos(2pi), but when I have an odd value I'm stuck at what to do.


Is there any simple algorithmic process I can use? Someone mentioned to me about finding complex roots, but I'm not sure how that works?
 
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This wiki article might be useful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exact_trigonometric_constants
It shows how to find things like \cos(\pi/5) using geometry.

Note that it is not always possible to find explicit value of cosines. For exampe, the innocent looking \cos(\pi/9) cannot be explicitely found using elementary operations and roots (unless I'm being stupid right now).
 
Well, pi/5 lies between pi/4 and pi/6, doesn't it?
The midpoint between these to latter values is 5pi/24 which is slightly greater than pi/5

calculating the relevant values of sine and cosine for 5pi/24, you may find the midpoint between 5pi/24 and pi/6, which is 9pi/48, somewhat less than pi/5
(And then, the midpoint between 5pi/24 and 9pi/48 is 19pi/96, very close to, but slightly less than pi/5)

And so on.

Utilizing this bisection method and the half-angle formula, you can eke yourself towards the answer.
 
micromass said:
the innocent looking \cos(\pi/9) cannot be explicitly found using elementary operations and roots
You could use cos(3θ) = 4cos3(θ) - 3cos(θ). Writing θ=\pi/9 gives you a cubic to solve.
 
haruspex said:
You could use cos(3θ) = 4cos3(θ) - 3cos(θ). Writing θ=\pi/9 gives you a cubic to solve.

Right. Thank you. I was thinking of the fact that the 9-gon wasn't constructible, but it is of course wrong to deduce from that that it can't be written with roots. It is clear that \cos(\pi/n) is always algebraic, but when can it be written using radicals?? Since the Galois group of the n-th root of unity is abelian, it can always be expressed using radicals. Nice.
 

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