Finding Discontinuities: Multiply by Conjugate?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the value of the function $$f(7)$$ for $$f(x) = \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}$$ and understanding the implications of discontinuities in rational functions. Participants explore the correct approach to evaluate the function at a point where it is not defined and discuss the concept of limits in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant initially attempts to find $$f(7)$$ by multiplying the function by $$\frac{x+7}{x+7}$$, leading to confusion about the correct value of the function at that point.
  • Another participant points out that $$f(7)$$ is not defined and suggests that the limit as $$x$$ approaches 7 should be considered instead, leading to a limit of 3.
  • There is a discussion about the difference between the function $$f(x)$$ and the simplified function $$g(x) = x - 4$$, emphasizing that they have different domains.
  • One participant explains the conditions under which a rational function may have discontinuities and how to factor polynomials to find limits.
  • Another participant critiques the initial approach of multiplying by the conjugate, stating that it is unnecessary and leads to additional complications in the evaluation process.
  • There is a reiteration of the correct simplification process, emphasizing that the factor $$x - 7$$ should be canceled out correctly without introducing extra points of discontinuity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that $$f(7)$$ is not defined and that the limit as $$x$$ approaches 7 is 3. However, there is disagreement regarding the necessity and correctness of the initial approach of multiplying by the conjugate, with some participants asserting it is unnecessary and others exploring the reasoning behind it.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion about the process of finding discontinuities and the implications of multiplying by certain expressions. There is an emphasis on recognizing factors in polynomials and understanding the domain restrictions of rational functions.

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I recently had to find what $$f(7)$$ equals if $$f(x) = \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}$$. I first tried $$\frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7} \cdot \frac{x+7}{x+7}$$, and it seemed like a perfect fit since I eventually got to $$\frac{x^2(x-4)-49(x+4)}{x^2-49}=(x-4)(x+4)$$, but that gave me $$f(7)=33$$, instead of the right answer which was $$f(7)=3$$ since $$ \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}=\frac{(x+7)(x-4)}{x-7}=x-4$$.

I don't have much experience with finding discontinuities, and I am confused because I had thought multiplying by by the conjugate was always the right way to go with these problems. Since I was wrong about that, I want to know how to tell what the wrong processes are with these types of problems so that I can do them correctly in the future. Is there a way I could've known that trying to multiply by $$\frac{x+7}{x+7}$$ was the wrong approach here?
 
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Hi RidiculousName.

If $f(x)=\dfrac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}$, then $f(7)$ is not defined! Maybe you mean to find
$$\lim_{x\to7}f(x)$$
instead. Well, if $x\ne7$, then
$$f(x)\ =\ \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}\ =\ \frac{(x-7)(x-4)}{x-7}\ =\ x-4$$
so $f(x)\to7-4=3$ as $x\to7$.

Note that the function defined by $g(x)=x-4$ is not the same function as $f(x)$. The former has domain $\mathbb R$ whereas $f(x)$ has domain $\mathbb R\setminus\{7\}$.
 
Olinguito said:
Hi RidiculousName.

If $f(x)=\dfrac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}$, then $f(7)$ is not defined! Maybe you mean to find
$$\lim_{x\to7}f(x)$$
instead. Well, if $x\ne7$, then
$$f(x)\ =\ \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}\ =\ \frac{(x-7)(x-4)}{x-7}\ =\ x-4$$
so $f(x)\to7-4=3$ as $x\to7$.

Note that the function defined by $g(x)=x-4$ is not the same function as $f(x)$. The former has domain $\mathbb R$ whereas $f(x)$ has domain $\mathbb R\setminus\{7\}$.


Thank you, I apologize for the mix-up about how f(7) isn't defined. I mentioned I have already discovered $f(x)\ =\ \frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}\ =\ \frac{(x-7)(x-4)}{x-7}\ =\ x-4$. I was asking if there was a way I could've known that my prior process of doing $\frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7}$ wouldn't work.

Here are all of my steps.

$$\frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7} \cdot \frac{x+7}{x+7}$$

$$=\frac{x^3+7x^2-11x^2-77x+28x+196}{x^2-49}$$

$$=\frac{x^3-4x^2-49x+196}{x^2-49}$$

$$=\frac{x^2(x-4)-49(x+4)}{x^2-49}$$

$$=(x-4)(x+4)$$

plug in $7$ for $x$.

$$(7-4)(7+4)=7^2-16=33$$
 
With a rational function, f(x)= P(x)/Q(x), where P and Q are polynomials, at x= a there are 3 possibilities:
1) Q(a) is not 0 so that f(a)= P(a)/Q(a).

2) Q(a)= 0 but P(a) is not 0, neither f(a) nor lim as x goes to a of f(a) exists.

3) both P(a) and Q(a) are 0, f(a) does not exist but the limit might. That means that x- a must be factor of both P(a) and Q(a). Factor it out of numerator and denominator and cancel.

For example, to find the limit, as x goes to 7, of f(x)\frac{x^2- 11x+ 28}{x- 7}
I would first set x= 7 in the numerator and denominator: x^2- 11x+ 28= 49- 77+ 28= 0and x- 7= 7- 7= 0. But the fact that x^2- 11x+ 28= 0 <b>tells</b> us that x- 7 <b>is</b> a factor. Seeing the 28= 7(4), I would try (x- 7)(x- 4)= x^2- 7x- 4x+ 28= x^2- 7x+ 28 so that f(x)= \frac{x^2- 11x+ 28}{x- 7}= \frac{(x- 4)(x- 7)}{x- 7} and, for all x <b>other</b> than 7, that is x- 4. The limit as x goes to 7 is 7- 4= 3.<br /> <br /> There is no "multiplying by the conjugate" involved. In fact I am not sure what you mean by "conjugate" here. It is just a matter of recognizing that if P is a polynomial such that P(a)= 0 then x- a is a factor of P(x).
 
RidiculousName said:
Here are all of my steps.

$$\frac{x^2-11x+28}{x-7} \cdot \frac{x+7}{x+7}$$

$$=\frac{x^3+7x^2-11x^2-77x+28x+196}{x^2-49}$$

$$=\frac{x^3-4x^2-49x+196}{x^2-49}$$

$$=\frac{x^2(x-4)-49(x+4)}{x^2-49}$$

$$=(x-4)(x+4)$$

plug in $7$ for $x$.

$$(7-4)(7+4)=7^2-16=33$$
You are doing a lot of unnecessary work for nothing at all. As Country Boy says, you do not have to multiply by anything extra. In any case, multiplying $f(x)$ by $\dfrac{x+7}{x+7}=1$ should give you $x-4$, not $(x-4)(x+4)$. You have made a mistake in your working – which in any case is immaterial because what you’re doing here is totally unnecessary.

PS:
$$\frac{x^3-4x^2-49x+196}{x^2-49}\ =\ \frac{x(x^2-49)-4(x^2-49)}{x^2-49}\ =\ \frac{(x^2-49)(x-4)}{x^2-49}\ =\ x-4$$
PROVIDED $x\ne\pm7$. By doing the unnecessary work, you’ve introduced an extra point of discontinuity, one which wasn’t there before.
 
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