Finding Distance Function with Increasing Outputs

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The discussion revolves around finding a distance function that produces increasing outputs based on specific criteria. Participants explore various mathematical functions and their properties, focusing on the conditions that the outputs must satisfy. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the function should be of the form sqrt(x) and is interested in other functions that meet the criteria of increasing outputs.
  • Another participant proposes functions of the form x^a, where 0 < a < 1, and also mentions log(x) as potential candidates.
  • A clarification is made regarding the term "derivatives," indicating that the intended meaning is related to functions like x^a, with a request for more suggestions.
  • Further specifications are provided about what constitutes the "most appropriate" function, emphasizing the need for certain relationships between the outputs.
  • One participant suggests using tangent lines and constants to adjust the function outputs to meet the specified conditions.
  • A question is raised about how to ensure the requirements are satisfied when using a specific function like log(x+1) with a parameter for the "first few" outputs.

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Participants express differing views on the types of functions that can satisfy the given conditions, and there is no consensus on a single function or method. The discussion remains open with multiple competing ideas and approaches.

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Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps or the implications of the parameters discussed, leaving some assumptions and dependencies unclear.

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For determination of the distance from a certain point, a function should be used. Namely, the input values 'x' are from N (1,2,3,4,5...), and the corresponding outputs 'y' from R, but such that the sequence 'y' (relative to 'x') is increasing;

$y(1)<y(2)<y(3)<y(4)<...$ \\
but to satisfy \\
y(1)>[y(2)-y(1)]>[y(3)-y(2)]>[y(4)-y(3)]>...

The function that satisfies this is sqrt(x), but I'm interested in other possible functions that satisfy the above. The 'derivatives' of sqrt(x) should also work.

Thanks
 
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Any function of the form xa, where 0 < a < 1. Also log(x).

Derivatives will not work. They are decreasing functions.
 
I put 'derivatives' with '' emphasis, to differentiate it from real ones, but this is a language obstacle. What is meant is x^a, 0<a<1. I would like to hear more suggestions on these kind of functions. I supposed to test their behaviour and to select the most appropriate one.
Note that the condition
y(1)>[y(2)-y(1)]>[y(3)-y(2)]>[y(4)-y(3)]>...

is better to be
y(1)=[y(2)-y(1)]=[y(3)-y(2)]>... (or, for the first few, approximately equal might be appropriate, but
to satisfy the first criterion from my first post).

Any help is highly appreciated.
 
You could be more specific as to what you have in mind by "most appropriate one".
 
The most appropriate one would be the one satisfying the following:

1) y(1)<y(2)<y(3)<y(4)<...
2) y(1)=[y(2)-y(1)]=[y(3)-y(2)]>... first few '=' signs read as approximately equal. Possibly the number of
'few' should be determined by a parameter. Then [y(3)-y(2)]>[y(4)-y(3)]>... continues as usual.
Thanks
 
Take any of the examples I provided to start after the "first few". Get the tangent line at some point near the beginning and use values along the tangent line for the first few. Finally add (or subtract) a constant to all terms to get y(1)=[y(2)-y(1)].
 
Thanks.
How could I then ensure the requirements are satisfied given a parameter 'k' corresponding to 'first few'. In other words, if 'first few' is 40, and I use 'log(x+1)', how to proceed?
 
Place the tangent line at x=40 and then add a constant to the whole thing so that the value at 1 is what you want.
 
Thanks.
 

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